Technigas Next R or RS?

[Aviatrixie]

Hi everyone. I'm about to order my Stage One kit, but before I do wanted to ask your opions on whether I should get the Next R or the RS pipe. From what I have read here the Next R will give me better top speed and mounts easily with no modifications. The RS will give me better acceleration at the expense of a little top speed, plus it requires changing to the Japanese blinkers since the RS rides too high for the stock turn signals.

All things considered I'm leaning toward the Next R, since speed is more important to me than acceleration. I was told in another thread that acceleration on the Next R pipe was slower than the stock pipe up to about 10 mph. I'm curious how bad it is... will I be doing "Flintstone take-offs" on the Next R? LOL

One more thing. I read in Provoscooter that changing the reeds along with the RS pipe will restore top speed and retain acceleration. Sounds like the best of both worlds, but at added labor and expense. Anyone here done this combination?

Once again, TIA for all your help here. :)

[Zuma88]

are you getting the varaitor to? if so the tecnigas R is good.

[Aviatrixie]

Hello Zuma88 :)

I was just planning on ordering the stage one kit and a new kevlar belt. I've already ordered the Michelin S1 tires at my local bike shop. I'm not sure what variator you are talking about. What is it, and what will it do for me? If it will help my performance significantly without inpacting reliability I will order that too.

I'll look for that now in Provoscooter. I assume they sell this variator you mention.

Thanks,

Erika

[Aviatrixie]

Zuma88...

I just checked Provoscooter and found a Tecnimoto variator. Is that the one you meant? It's $89. If I were to buy that it appears I would just need to buy the pipe, as the Tecnimoto variator comes with it's own weights. Am I correct? What performance improvements will I find over the stock variator with this upgrade?

TIA,

Erika

[Zuma88]

yes that is correct that is what i was talking about. privet message eric he has malossi varaitors wtich will give you more take off and higher top speed.

[marylandmark]

The variator basicly moves your transmission to be more in tune with your new power band that you have created with your other mods. Really when you do a modification you should do it all the way- the parts in a stage I kind of all are related to each other and work together.

Our scoots are using a fully automatic V-belt transmission- think of the variator as a clutch but it is engaged at all times. If your scoot is still stock you can set it on the center stand and start it- your rear tire should spin slightly at idle if your brakes are adjusted correctly.

When you change the variator it changes when your clutch engages fully if you will. Heavy weights you will have to rev your bike to a higher RPM before you take off- this will make acceleraton slow but give you a higher top speed. Light weights your clutch "engages" sooner which will give you a quicker take off with a lower top speed. What most try to do is find a good balance- lose a little on the top end for a quicker take off but you don't want the quickest take off because you will lose too much top end.

[Aviatrixie]

Zuma88... I will PM Erich about the Molassi variator, thanks. I looked for it on his store page, but only found a few things, including a racing clutch and something interesting called an upgear.

Mark... thanks for the info. Perhaps you are right and I should just stick with the stage kit. I was just wondering if it was worth it to buy a new variator and a pipe seperately. Would a better variator than the stock one actually improve performance? Buying just the pipe and a variator would only cost a little more than the stage one kit, and the stage one kit seems to just include the pipe and weights for the stock variator. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll go back and look at the stage one kit again.

Thanks guys :)

Erika

[marylandmark]

email Erich at sales@provoscooter.com

Stage 1=

It comes with a Tecnigas Next R Chrome or for $20 more the Tecnigas RS Chrome pipe, Tecnomoto Variator, Roller Weights, and Clutch Springs for your stock clutch.

As you can see it includes the variator...

Some pipes when you buy just the pipe come with weights and springs because they know you should modify your variator and clutch when you change the pipe... LeoVince I think it is as well as a few other brands?

[Aviatrixie]

Hi Mark... I just checked and saw that it does come with a new variator. Zuma 88 seems to think that the Molassi may be better, I guess. Anyway, it does make sense to buy the kit. Then I know I won't be messing it up. My mechanic will be doing the upgrade anyway and if I buy the kit he won't have to figure things out since instructions will come with the kit or can be found online.

Thanks! :)

Erika

[Davey-boi]

RS- racing pipe

Next R- street pipe

Basically, if your going for a street set-up then get the next R. But if your planning on getting a 70 cc race kit (MHR/Polini evo) then go with RS. Thats how I view it.

[XPS1210]

there are those who swear that the Technomoto variator is great...

I have a damaged one... Lennox has had one replaced under warrenty..

Several others have had issues with them... There is a brass ring that spins in the variator but isn't supposed to...

Now the 3 or 4 cases I'm talking about are probably not the normal... I'm sure that most of them are great...

here is the difference... Technomoto is a smaller "generic" brand... the Malossi one is a "NAME" brand and might be better quality... But with the name behind it, it's probably a better variator... Not saying it is... but I don't plan on keeping my Techno brand one... I'm currently looking for a different one... Probably going to go way out there and get the Over Range Malossi kit.. but it's like $300 or something... But it covers all the tranny parts and WAY increases top end...

[Zuma88]

rs is a slowwer pipe made for bottem end, its built to et you off fast.

[Aviatrixie]

Hi Jered,

It does sound as if I should get the Malossi variator. I'm reading here and in PMs that the Technimoto may have serious quality issues. I have emailed Erich about substituting the Malossi in the stage one kit. I will hold off on ordering until I hear from him. I'd much rather pay more and get reliability and better performance.

Anyway, thanks everyone... you're all being an incredible help to me as I sort this stuff out!

Erika

[devonrs]

get the stage one, don't even bother thinking about the pipe, the variator, both of them, one of them, whatever, stage one is everything you need....

and yes you do lose a bit of acceleration, but it's nothing like a "flinstone" take off... if you use the correct weights. i use super light weights as i live in seattle where there's tons of hills, and i weigh 185 lbs. my acceleration is slow, (by slow i mean, a pause of around 1 or 2 seconds) to 5 mph, and then, zoom! it slides up to 40 pretty quickly, and from there it inches it's way to 48mph or so... (this is all on a stage one, by the way)