ON GOING, Pipes vs. Price poll and discussion

[marylandmark]

Best bang for the buck-

What is the best pipe in your opinion and why is it worth the price it cost.

[Lennox]

best pipe ? Tommy Chong makes some killer glassware!:p

[Zuma88]

after you have had the jollymoto you will never ever want another exhuast.

i still own a tecnigas next r and it is in my room hanging from my wall lol.

want the best get the jollymoto carbon if want want good get the MHR or EVO if you want okay get tecngias next R or leo'vince spinter.
if you want cheap and just a up grader then get the leo ZX or tec RS

[King Vino]

best pipe ? Tommy Chong makes some killer glassware!:p

ROFLOL, now that was a good line!

[Chreaus]

I love this thread.
I have know idea which pipe is which. I want to upgrade soon and this information helps soo much. I want a performance pipe that actuallly trys to muffle the sound. I guess I could buy a muffler.

Any info you guys want to PM me so I can decide wht to do with my engine, etc
will be kicking ...

Thanks

[XPS1210]

after you have had the jollymoto you will never ever want another exhuast.

i still own a tecnigas next r and it is in my room hanging from my wall lol.

want the best get the jollymoto carbon if want want good get the MHR or EVO if you want okay get tecngias next R or leo'vince spinter.
if you want cheap and just a up grader then get the leo ZX or tec RS


you know I was doing some reading on a scooter store's web site from europe... They said that the ZX pipe was one of the nicer models...

Just want to mention that... as I'm running the ZX leoVince pipe...

So... ha!

If I ever get the cash again I will get the jollymoto or MHR pipe... not sure yet and don't have the cash to make it happen yet...

[devonrs]

where's the best place to buy a jolly moto carbon 70? i'd like to buy one... now!

[marylandmark]

I am in the process of talking with some people at Jolly Moto about a group buy....

Will post more info in the next few days.

I am also going to forward some contact info to Erich to see if he can talk them into him becoming a US importer of this or some thing like that. This site is to support his scooter store and he will hopefully be able to get a wholesale price- some of which he can pass on to us.

[Zuma88]

yea they say the ZX is good for low end witch true but also most likly why you haven't hit 60mph :) , i hope you do with you MHR ported

[marylandmark]

low blow......

:eek:

[Zuma88]

just stating a posible fact.


here if you are looking for a pipe just to increase your bottem end tecnigas RS, Race 50, exhuasts are fine, as well as leo'vinces ZX. (im a fan of leo's sprinter exhuast thing looks nice)

if you are looking for (fair) top end then the leo'vince S,RR (RR has great top end), are good exhuast, also the tecingas next racing TNR), and tecnigas tnr 70.

for bolth high a low end,
most Arrow exhuast (i have herd never tested), Malossi MHR team 2000 70 exhuast, malossi MHR 70 or 50, Malossi MHR replica 70. Polini EVO 70 exhuast.

for the highest top end and better then all low end.
JollyMoto 70, JollyMoto 70 carbon.

[marylandmark]

What is the difference between:

JollyMoto 70

JollyMoto 70 carbon


Ok I am going to go out on a limb and guess the carbon means it is carbon fiber (which would look awesome on my silver Zuma.

Same performance?

Price difference?

[Zuma88]

it is the one he was talking about being almost 500.00 the carbon sounds better and is alround better. yea it means carbon fyber.

[marylandmark]

Do you know the price differences between the 2?

[marylandmark]

9282 jolly moto racing
special for 70cc cylinders 293.74


12668 jolly moto racing
special for 70cc cylinders with carbon silencer 362.93

Looks like:

For reg pipe:

Live mid-market rates as of 2004.11.17 17:01:48 GMT.
293.74 EUR
Euro = 382.943 USD
United States Dollars
1 EUR = 1.30368 USD 1 USD = 0.767060 EUR

For carbon pipe:

Live mid-market rates as of 2004.11.17 17:01:48 GMT.
362.93 EUR
Euro = 473.144 USD
United States Dollars
1 EUR = 1.30368 USD 1 USD = 0.767060 EUR

So-

For me $91 might be worth getting the carbon fiber over the regular pipe depending on what they look like.

[Zuma88]

they have a video on the web site showing a yamaha scooter.

[marylandmark]

That site is not very user friendly IMHO...

[XPS1210]

you know... the jollymoto might be the "best thing" on the market... but I can't see spending almost $500 on a freaking exhaust pipe...

The MHR exhaust and the paloni one... how much do those things run?

I can see paying $250 to $300 top for a pipe... I can't see $500! No way as they got what $50 in materials or less and some labor time to make it... that's a killing!

[Zuma88]

unlike tenigas they dont just weld metal together they go thourgh some crazy testing. the pipes not for some one that dont want the best.

if you fine sticking with the Geo metro of the pipes thats fine with me

[XPS1210]

Arrow Carbon-Kevlar Fiber "Limited Series" Exhaust Chamber:
The Limited Series models are ideal for racing since they enhance the medium-high rpm rating range, with a significant increase in maximum power.
$325.00

Giannelli NRX Exhaust Pipe
They are designed to achieve a maximum power curve in medium and high revolutions and as an extension there is a power variator roller kit and a clutch springs kit; which will increase the torque.
$169.99

Polini For Race Pipe
Priced from $199.99

Jollymoto: we all know the story... and it's about $475.00

I can't find a price for the Malossi MHr exhaust... anyone?

On this list... the Arrow one sounds to be the best... speed wise... but the giannelli for the price... not to shabby if it in fact increases top end...

[marylandmark]

Thanks for the info!!!

That is what I am looking for-

Now I need to decide if the Jolly is worth the $150+ more to me than the Arrow or $275 more than the Polini, if the Arrow is worth $125+ more than the Polini, if the Giannelli is worth $30 less than the Polini and so on....

[Zuma88]

i have herd bad things about the Giannelli pipes they are very tempermental and have to have loads of tuning

[XPS1210]

you know... tu-stroke engines are crazy to work with at times anyway...

I've problems with my scooter running right at below 40 degrees even with a manual choke on it... Could be my pipe... could be the weather, could be moisture in the air...

Donno what to tell you...

I'm hoping that the MHR cylinder I have on the way will make it get over 60mph... and I can call it quits... Might do another exhaust in the future but not sure...


If the ZX is such a bad pipe... I don't know... I've heard nothing but good reviews from distributers of the pipe... So.. I don't know... Maybe it's not a top end pipe...
Don't know what to say...

[marylandmark]

Just a follow up from the folks at Jolly Moto-


Hello mark

Good set up, I would advice you also the race bearing-kit.

The best choice for an exhaust is JolyMoto, no doubt about that :-)

We don't do discounts.... the only option I can offer:
If you pay by creditcard we have to pay 5% to the creditcard company...
if you pay in advance (transfer the payment to our account)
than I can give you the 5% discount.

With kind regards Karin Dekker

[XPS1210]

with that being said... How much money are they making off of these exhausts...

Yeah... they are the bad boy on the block... are they really worth almost $500? I still think a aarow pipe at $300 and 1-2 mph slower is better imo...

No matter... guess it's a matter of money available...

[Zuma88]

ther making just under 150 dollers.

[King Vino]

There's about 60 cents of metal in those things, plus about ninety eighty cents to fabricate, then the $2.19 it costs to pay some one to do it (figure several an hour) Then logistics, (storage, distribution, etc...) another 15 bucks. Total profit 1300%. Just like an SUV, Chevy has roughly a $9000 profit on a $23000 Equinox. As Herb Powell once said (voiced by Danny Devito playing Homer Simpson's long lost brother) HA HA HA, what, there's like ten bucks worth of metal in this thing. pointing to an eighty thousand dollar sports car.

[marylandmark]

I have been looking at some other forums and have not ordered my pipe yet for the above listed reasons...

This was the whole point of this thread:

If I can get close to the Jolly (which for sake of conversation is the best pipe out there) then I would rather do that and save $250.

[Zuma88]

lol yea if you take to pipes and weld them together and call it a exhuast lol.

the jolly has had some major tuning done to it they only cylinder it dont work well with is cheap 70c, and also the metra kit pro race.
for the metra kit 70 pro race it is better to use the pro race exhuast that is made for that cylinder.

[XPS1210]

I think when the time finally comes I'll be more likely to get the Malossi MHR pipe set up...

The one they "tuned" for my cylinder set up....

I don't get charging that much for the exhaust... that's just way so much of a profit...

and then for them to say they'll give a 5% discount if you wire transfer ( which you pay a fee for)...

That's almost a joke... IMO they are making MAD CASH on those pipes...

Don't see the justification on the price IMO...

[marylandmark]

I am going with almost all Malossi MHR so I am thinking the same thing- get the Malossi pipe as well..

[XPS1210]

and it's about 1/2 price of the jollyoverpriced carbon 70.... HAHAHA! ;)

[Lennox]

yeah Mark, I agree, stick with ALL MHR!!

[Zuma88]

don't matter thought you all where building the best my bad. :rolleyes:

[marylandmark]

Best bang for the buck-

1st sentence in this thread....

I like the Jolly, however as I have said several times- not going to pay $275-$300+ more for a few MPH.

Remember bro-

I ride with 5 Metro's and my Zuma stock runs circles around them already. Just modding to mod it.. What is the quote- "I don't care what you ride, as long as your ride ani't stock".

I would love to get the Jolly Moto- but have yet to see hard data to justify the cost of it. Few MPH for $300 on a scoot is just not worth it to me.

Just like anything else- It is all in what you want and for some it is worth it, for me it is not.

So I give the props to the Jolly- just can't see me getting it for now so far.

[rydah]

if the price on those pipes are really good then i might have to get one on my mhr and get rid of my polini evo pipe. HOOK IT UP!

[marylandmark]

HAHAH-

The last post on this thread was 11-23-2004, 02:13 PM....

ps- I bought a whole brand new scooter since then.

As far as best pipe? I still think if 2-3 components are in a set or series, you would think they would be made for each other and work the best. That is the reason I was going to do all MHR.

In my case, I went with a pipe matched to the series I bought- all Metrakit SP- pipe, cylinder/piston, carb and so on..

[Aviatrixie]

Funny... this thread keeps coming up as a new post, but the only new post is the one that Mark made at 10:58 yesterday morning. I guess people voting in the poll resets it as a new post but the last actual poster registers as the voter on the "new posts" list.

[XPS1210]

yep... any time someone posts in the poll it shows up as a new post in the thread...

It's kinda annoying but allows us to see which polls are still active... a setting I changed a month or so ago and hasn't really come up till now...

[hybridrazz]

He isnt running the zx anymore he has a polini for race.

[Aviatrixie]

As long as we're talking about pipes I have to say I'm Really REALLY pleased with my Next R. It has my little 49cc Vino running around acting like a 125cc scooter! When I had my Technomoto vario installed I was disappointed in the low rpm performance, but since installing the Malossi MultiVar I'm pleased even with that. I walk away from cars regularly at stop lights and even pass cars on four lanes with 45 mph limits. There may be better pipes out there, but bang for buck I have to go with the Next R.

[marylandmark]

I LOVE reading Aviatrixie's post since she staged her scoot!!!

Happy for ya being happy with it!

[Angelfire]

Well I have had couple other pipes on my scoot but I would say by far the Malossi MHR Pipe is been the best however only draw back on that pipe would be the 460.00 price tag but it was well worth the money Scoot sounds very healthy and with a 2 stroke your pipe is where about 80% of your power is made so I would say the Malossi MHR pipe is well worth it.

[Angelfire]

Also Jered with both you and me riding in colder climates I acually Wrap my pipe with special Heat tape that keeps the pipe hot also keeps the pipe from cooling down to fast cause with a 2 stroke the hotter you can keep the pipe the more power you will be able to put out.

[911elite]

hey y'all i still like the jollymoto 70 but after finding a mod to my MHR exhuast it's right up there with the jollymoto70.

[pinkymingeo]

Certain parts you can rely on. For instance, with varios there are a lot of strong opinions, but nobody seriously knocks the Multivar. For Hmin pipes there are a lot of strong opinions, but nobody seriously knocks the Yasuni C16/20/21. If you're gonna drop a bunch of bucks on a pipe, I'd go with the smart money.

[PreBug308]

I like my Leo Vince RS, but heyy, thats just me.

[rydah]

pinky is right about the pipes, thats why the yasuni c21 is going on my jog.

[marylandmark]

I started this poll many, many moons ago when I was looking to get a pipe..

In further research it seems that really- the pipe you get depends on the rest of your "kit". Some pipes work better with certain setups and so on- with some pipes even being almost "universal" as in works well with almost every thing.

I went with the Metrakit SP- why? Because I have the MK SP 70cc, MK SP carb, MK SP clutch and so on. Stuck with the saem "series"- figured they should be made to work best with each other...

[IdriveaZumaII]

are there 2 Tecnigas rs pipes? i know that sounds dumb, but i was told to go with the rs 0 pipe for my t6 cylinder, but is that the same as the rs on the sles page? - IDRIVE

[pinkymingeo]

There's an RS50 and an RS70. You want the 70.

[IdriveaZumaII]

thanks fr te clarification- IDRIVE

[D-Rocker]

My buddies and I all bought zuma's (8)together and we all bought pipe mostly Leo's, but I found an arrow pipe. They use them in moto GP racing for the big bikes. We have tested all the bike together and the Arrow's on top.

We tested: Leo's, Tecnigas, Giannelli, and Polini.

[hybridrazz]

The arrow is better then a leovince zx ,The leo is ok for a 50cc cylinder. But the polini evo, or jollymoto 70, or malossi mhr,and yasani pipes make the most power with the racing cylinders.

[911elite]

ill give you a Amen to that bother man lol.

[rydah]

The arrow is better then a leovince zx ,The leo is ok for a 50cc cylinder. But the polini evo, or jollymoto 70, or malossi mhr,and yasani pipes make the most power with the racing cylinders.
you can take the jollymoto pipe out of it because nobody uses that pipe. it might be good but where can you find anybody with any results on it. i would rather give the stage6 1200 or 1400 pipe a try for half the price. at least those pipes are in the same range as a yasuni c20 and c21.

[florida derbi rocket]

Thanks Rydah..I was looking at that stuff.. It would be sweet to have a copycat Yasuni pipe here in the states....and I thought the island boys would have something to say..They wring everything out..o_o

[rydah]

Thanks Rydah..I was looking at that stuff.. It would be sweet to have a copycat Yasuni pipe here in the states....and I thought the island boys would have something to say..They wring everything out..o_o
out here 95% of the guys ride hondas and 99% of them use can pipes not chamber pipes. the yamaha guys use chamber pipes. there are copies of the yasuni pipes, they are called cantillana. they look like nice and price is nice too.

[tinman]

how come leovince zx pipes , are not on the list?they looks awsome, and they bolt on easy, and good performance

[rydah]

how come leovince zx pipes , are not on the list?they looks awsome, and they bolt on easy, and good performance
lol, because they are toy pipes. they look nothing like the real deal race pipes. thay are just a something to put on if you break your stock pipe because they are cheaper then the oem pipe.

[tinman]

Kinda harsh Radah , did you own a leo vince zx pipe on your zuma, or did some one piss on your corn flakes????? the question was whats the best bang for your buck?( Not what looks like the real deal race pipe)this is the zuma performance forum , not the Jog forum, RIGHT????? i still stand behind my opinion , and i guess Jered says the pipe is not that bad either, or anyone else who so dumb to own one i,m not saying the leovince zx pipe is the best one on the market ,but its my opinion , right !!! I guess all us leovince zx pipe owners or any one else who does not agree with you are just dumb!!! But thats my opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!! from a bws/ zuma owner, who does not slam anyone elses opinion ,about all the other pipes on the market out there !!!!!!!!!!!! Hope you a great day!

tim

[rydah]

jogs and bugeyes use the same pipes so i just call it the way i see it. i am not trying to piss anybody off. if a guy buys a pipe that somebody tells them is a race pipe and they get that pipe and find out that is just a look-a-like pipe how is that person is supposed to feel. leos aint race pipes, they are look-a-like pipes. i went threw that already, where i was told what was race parts and come to find out they were just bore kits and so called pipes. i am just telling people what works to go fast and be reliable, so guys spend their money one time not 3 or 4 times like i did. i learned the hard way so i try to make it easy for the next guy.

[tinman]

i purchased my pipe from provos , and they never said they were a race pipe, how can you slam anyones pipe brand that you have not owned? anyone out there, buy the pipe you like , talk to people who owned that kinda pipe, most people do not want to race a scooter , they would like a little better performance , and a reliable ride, they would like something that just bolts on ! I rather ride than push

[rydah]

i never put anybodys pipe down on this forum. if i call something a toy then so what. streetbike riders think what we do with our mopeds are toys, so what i dont get mad. i never used a leo pipe because it wouldnt give my bikes what i am looking for. my friends use that pipe and they are dissapointed when they get that thing and they have to buy another pipe all over again when they should have gotten the right one the first time.

[str8dum]

I just think that Rydah has options readily available to him that we cant get stateside. We pay outrageous shipping for parts that his dealer stocks reguarly. There are no scooter cruises or races here in the states (generally speaking), so people are much less concerned about tuning these things.

Sure you can go ahead and bad mouht the Leo Vince, but realistically, that what most people want here. A plug and play pipe with a wide powerband that gives a little more performance. Race pipes have tighter powerbands, cost a TON more, and need alot of other upgrades to perform well. Some people would rather spend their money on cars, houses, kids etc than on a toy scooter.

[Lennox]

ok folks....... you CAN share your opinions BUT play nice PLEASE!!

[tinman]

i,m sorry if i offended anyone, i will be good !

[Zuma-Zuma]

From what I here, and read, the Leo ZX appears to be a very under-rated pipe. Since most of us have hot street set-ups, and rarely actually "race" (in a sanctioned, organized race), I see nothing wrong with the pipes. Most street bike pipes are put on for looks and sound, and the hopes of a hint of performance gain. I wouldn't call some of these parts "toy parts", but maybe "budget perfomance", or street performance. I think a $500 pipe is simply overkill for what I want. Saying the pipe isn't worth is just as foolish. 2 bucks worth of material, and 5 (yeah, right) to assemble it doesn't constitute gouging profit. Nobody has figured in the testing and engineering that takes place designing any parts. I run a Technigas RS. It runs good, sounds good. I don't care what anybody thinks of it. And if somebody wants to know how it runs, I'll tell them, along with the rest of my setup. To answer the post, if you're happy with what you bought, THATS THE BEST PIPE FOR YOU.

[rydah]

$500 bucks for a pipe is nuts. i have seen a couple of sites selling the hebo hr4 for that much but the most i would ever pay for a pipe is $300 and the most i would ever pay for a cylider is $300. out here we can go to the drags and race our bikes anytime we want but they will only let us run 1/8th mile, so we mostly do our racing when just when we ride on the streets. i wish they would open up a gp course so we could race for real. i had a so called street set up it, it was all polini corsa parts but to me that was a waste of money, because once you get that taste of speed on these mopeds you want to go faster, so why not get the fast parts from the start, so you dont waste your money.

[pinkymingeo]

Our problem is lack of supply. The best pipes cost in the neighborhood of $300, but you have to add $100+ for shipping from Europe. The power is in the pipe, though. The difference can amaze you. Try a T6 with a ZX, then switch to an RS. You won't believe the difference.

[Zuma-Zuma]

I hope you're saying the RS has more power.....pleez.

[pinkymingeo]

Lots more.

[rydah]

stage 6 1200 and 1400 pipes are true race pipes that cost around 220bucks, i have been thinking about trying one of those out, i really want a c21 or TJT F1.

[psychoscoot]

why is leo vinci not include in the poll,is it that bad?

[Bill_P]

This was already asked about 15 posts back ;)

[str8dum]

that stage 6 1400 isnt even available yet so how do you know the price? The c21 is only 50 bucks more.

[rydah]

because my friend told me, also did you know that there is a 1600 out, also did you know that koso makes those pipes for stage 6. my friend has them in a catalog.

[Frank the Tank]

From what I here, and read, the Leo ZX appears to be a very under-rated pipe. Since most of us have hot street set-ups, and rarely actually "race" (in a sanctioned, organized race), I see nothing wrong with the pipes. Most street bike pipes are put on for looks and sound, and the hopes of a hint of performance gain. I wouldn't call some of these parts "toy parts", but maybe "budget perfomance", or street performance. I think a $500 pipe is simply overkill for what I want. Saying the pipe isn't worth is just as foolish. 2 bucks worth of material, and 5 (yeah, right) to assemble it doesn't constitute gouging profit. Nobody has figured in the testing and engineering that takes place designing any parts. I run a Technigas RS. It runs good, sounds good. I don't care what anybody thinks of it. And if somebody wants to know how it runs, I'll tell them, along with the rest of my setup. To answer the post, if you're happy with what you bought, THATS THE BEST PIPE FOR YOU.

i dont think most of u have hot street set-ups. im sorry if this upsets anyone, but the T-6 is NOT a hot street setup. maybe if its extremely ported and liquid-cooled, than ya, it can go. but the out of the box, ac, t-6 with a technigas pipe or w/e, is NOT a "hot" street set up.

a hot steet setup would b something like a lc mk sp2, lc stage 6 racing, mhr (70cc or replica, not team or speed, etc.), etc etc.
and yes, the leo vince and technigas pipes are suitable for children under 3. they are toys. HOWEVER...

***I AM NOT SAYING THAT THESE PRODUCTS ARE CRAP OR SHOULD BE ASSUMED TO BE HORRIBLE QUALITY OR WHATEVER.*** i am simply saying that those are not "hot" street setup parts. if u want some more power in ur scooter, go ahead and buy them, they're cheap and they're a good buy. but please dont say that when u have installed these parts that u have a "HOT" street setup, b/c u'll b lying just like the next guy.

thats my opinion. thank you

[pinkymingeo]

MHR Replica isn't hot at all. Stronger than an out-of-the-box T6, but nothing special. A few hours with a dremel and a T6 will chew it up. LC SP2 is pretty strong. More than a Replica, for sure. The RS is matched to the T6. I don't believe any pipe works better with that cylinder until you do a lot of cutting. It's actually a good pipe generally, lots of torque and plenty of power in the mid-8's through 10's, but the quality is crummy.

[Scoot-FloorDaa]

so if you were going to port the t6 in the manner that you recommended in the porting questions thread what pipe would you then suggest?

[Frank the Tank]

u would need a high reving pipe.
a polini forrace pipe or a yasuni would work well

whats wrong with the mhr rep. that doesnt make it hot?
i know that the mhr 70cc is kinda undertuned (compared to the evo), is that the problem with the rep.?

[speedy_scooter]

I think that a RS would do just fine but if your willing to put out the money for it get the Forrace. A Yasuni R might work well but definitly none of the Yasuni "C" pipes.

[pinkymingeo]

I'm told that a Rep isn't any hotter than a Corsa, and that isn't particularly hot. Plus, 2-ring pistons sacrifice a lot of power. About 7 percent, I'm told. The mid-range pipes all work about the same. I know one person who went from a ForRace to an RS with the T6, and reported the RS was noticeably stronger. I tried a Shot. The RS was stronger. If you cut the T6 exhaust port to 25mm each side, raise the outside corners to about a 2mm drop, and open the exhaust passage a lot, a C16 is killer. On an AC cylinder you get a whole lot of heat, and jetting is critical. On LC it's no sweat. Until you play with the port, there's no sense spending a lot of money on a pipe.

[Frank the Tank]

whats the difference between the yasuni c, r, and z (is there an x?) and the yasuni 16, 21, 30?

[pinkymingeo]

The z and r pipes are mid-level street pipes. Think ForRace and RS. The C (Carrera) series are the high-end stuff. Bye-bye centerstand. The 16 does it's thing in the 10-13K range, though it'll make power in the 9's. The 20 has nothing below 10.5, works good in the 11's, and shines above 12K. The 21 and 30 are supposed to be improvements on the 20. Maybe they are, maybe they just cost more.

[XPS1210]

pinky... I still don't understand why it's said the "for race" is mid-level...

the common understanding I had, if it clears the center stand, it's mid-level... once you have to remove the center stand it's getting up there...

the for race... you have to remove the center stand as it won't fully retract the center stand...

anyway, I agree with what your mentioning about the other pipes... except the RS and for race aren't compairable pipes... LOL!

[pinkymingeo]

Certainly different pipes. The RS is better on a T6. I've heard from guys who've tried both. My guess is the For Race is better on a Corsa. Makes sense, anyway. Junk both of them and install a C16 (you might have to do a little exhaust port work) and you'll see what a performance pipe is all about.

[speedy_scooter]

Hmm, I dont have any clearance issues with my Polini on the Zip but you did Jered? Gotta love pinky coming through and scrapping the cheaper pipes and going for the $250+ ones! :D

[florida derbi rocket]

Obviously shortening the pipe is the Secret here. Pinky..how many inches is usually missing from these better pipes compared to the longer stand-clearing mids? and can someone with jigs and good welding skills Shorten a lesser pipe?...or will something melt?

[speedy_scooter]

I've wondered this with my Triton. I'm hoping to remove some excess in the header and just remove the centerstand and hopefully get some better results. Any idea if this will work better or is it a bad idea?

[pinkymingeo]

I tried shortening an old RS, but my brazing skills are pretty bad. Never could get the flange to line up properly. Needed a spring mount. With an RS cut the pipe at the first weld. Shorten the second section 2 1/4-2 1/2 inches, then braze/weld back together. I didn't dream that up. The importer told me what to do. I just couldn't do it.

[xraydino]

Has anyone ever heard of PM Tuning exhaust? They claim to be a good 70cc exhaust.

[pinkymingeo]

Check their website.

[xraydino]

Of course, the site says it's an awsome pipe. I was wondering if anyone had any first hand experiance. I never heard of them.

[Calizuma]

I guess the Leovince ZX is 'other' in the poll options.I like the pipe.It's cheap,works great w/stock engine,not too loud & looks cool..I like cabon fiber...my two cents.

[ncsk8er]

PG race pipe...$100.00....try and beat that one.

[rydah]

PG race pipe...$100.00....try and beat that one.
most guys use the pg long pipe on there hondas but you dont really see them on yamahas. on a yamaha they are more for stock kind set ups.

[ncsk8er]

The PG pipe im talking about isnt the long.Im getting the one that looks like the other curly race pipes.Except its made for a stroker..here is a pic.The bottom pic is not my scooter.
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o22/ncsk8er/newpipe.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o22/ncsk8er/newpipe3.jpg

[~cheap_ride~]

I guess the Leovince ZX is 'other' in the poll options.I like the pipe.It's cheap,works great w/stock engine,not too loud & looks cool..I like cabon fiber...my two cents.


i will second that vote, the zx is a real good 50cc pipe. i ran it for a while on my 70cc setup and though it lacked for top end, the low end was great... rocket like acceleration, and indeed, much more quiet then other pipes.

[ncsk8er]

i will second that vote, the zx is a real good 50cc pipe. i ran it for a while on my 70cc setup and though it lacked for top end, the low end was great... rocket like acceleration, and indeed, much more quiet then other pipes.

I ran the ZX on my 50,70,and 90cc setups.The pipe worked lovely through all the engines.I have 14,000+ miles on my scoot now,and 10,000 of the was with the ZX pipe.Top speed was not to shabby either;65mph.

[~cheap_ride~]

thats pretty good, i just couldnt seem to get it tuned to go faster then 54, the RS seems to have helped with that issue, though its much louder now.

[Jack B]

I originally started with the Leo pipe on my stage one zuma and wasnt very impressed with the performance. Bottom end was ok but top end wasnt hardly any different than stock. Now I am running the next r and I am getting about 7mph higher top speed. I know this isnt the best top race pipe either but I am happy with it. I dont understand why the leo pipe is routed so close to the frame and centerstand that they have to dent it in for clearance and the technigas doesent. Seems like bad design to me,just my opinion.

[meshrider]

Best bang for the buck-

What is the best pipe in your opinion and why is it worth the price it cost.

YASUNI C21 ROCKs! :drum:

[thats nice]

im using Arrow extreme on ported 50cc w/ nice top-end
anyone try LoeVince 70cc spiget type exhaust?

[dachness]

I just purchased a Tecningas RS pipe for my Triton GT5. It shipped out today so I am excited. I decided on this pipe based on peoples advice. I live in Hawaii and the local shop said Leo Vince. I was steered away from that brand of pipe because it has baffles inside of the expansion chamber. The other options I was entertaining were Polini For Race, Yatsuni C16. Ofcourse the price on those were steep.

From a forum member i found that the RS pipe yields only slightly slower top speed than a C16 when used on a Corsa R. This made me pretty confident about the RS. I also have feed back from others that the RS works well on the Corsa R.

So for now I will use the RS on stock motor until I go 70cc.

Current setup includes:

10% torque spring
2k Clutch springs
Stage6 Vforce reedcage (being shipped)
Tecningas RS Pipe (being shipped)

Daniel

[str8dum]

for the common mid priced cylinders, the RS is the best value.
Here are some dyno #'s from Scooter attack
tecnigas Silent pro on 70cc cast top performance cylinder: 8.2 hp @ 7200 rpm
leo ZX on 70cc cast top performance cylinder: 8.4 hp @ 7700 rpm
leo RR on 70cc cast top performance cylinder: 8.7 hp @ 7300 rpm
Next on 70cc cast top performance cylinder: 9.1 hp @ 7800 rpm
RS on stage 6 sport (similiar to Airsal): 10.7 hp @ 8500 rpm

You can see why the leo's work ok on stock cylinders bc of their power at low rpms and why the RS is better than the Next on aluminum cylinders bc of its higher rpm range.

[Axton]

How do Hebo's rate?

[dachness]

I installed my RS exhaust yesterday. It rocks! I am slow from 0-10mph and then it pulls to 48 easy. I will be putting lighter weights to try and fix this. I reach 40mph in 1/8th the distance than previously.

My Complete setup includes:

10% torque spring
2k Clutch springs
Stage6 Vforce Reeds
Tecningas RS exhaust

[SLICKPOO]

Have And 03 Zuma Got A Free Leo Vince Pipe, Just Didnt Come With Rollers Or Springs Any Recomens On What I Should Buy For The Clutch As My Scoot Is Super Slow 0-15 But The Parts Starts At Like 30 Just Need Some More Bottom End Like I Said
Thanks
Slickpoo
Idaho

[jproemen]

Have And 03 Zuma Got A Free Leo Vince Pipe, Just Didnt Come With Rollers Or Springs Any Recomens On What I Should Buy For The Clutch As My Scoot Is Super Slow 0-15 But The Parts Starts At Like 30 Just Need Some More Bottom End Like I Said
Thanks
Slickpoo
Idaho

When I had the Leo on mine I tried using their springs and rollers altogether and in many different configurations and didn't notice any difference except with the springs the higher rmp before clutch engagement. Personally I thing the stock clutch setup worked good with that pipe, Hell I took it side by side drag race with another completely stock 05 Zuma that we have and the stock beat it of the line for about 40-50 feet but then I caught up and pulled ahead by about 30-40 ft. Did this repeatedly even when we swapped scoots, It didn't matter who drove. I guess we'll see now which pipe is better since the leo is on the wifes now and I have the RS on mine and both are stock. :race:

[mechsmoto]

Pipes really depend on what rpm range you wanna run in... and how much noise you are willing to deal with. I personally use a Malossi MHR exhaust ... I had a cheap chinese made pipe before this one. The power difference is UNBELIEVABLE!! IIIIFFFFF you have all the other pieces working together and your cylinder can handle the rrrr's. My zuma pulls like it has a turbo or nos in the powerband!!!!


Polini 70cc aluminum (166.0079), Polini racing crank(10mm), Polini free flow air filter, Polini 21mm carb(delortto), Polini Big Valve intake with 4 petal reed cage, Malossi MHR vario assy, Malossi MHR delta clutch, Athena 14/44 primary gears, and Malossi MHR exhaust...... 70's!!!!!! hhhooonnneeesssttttt!!

[mechsmoto]

alright guys, if you look at the poll above.... there are a vast majority of people voting for technigas pipes.... anyone thats built a bike and driven it knows theyre not the best!! Im not trying to be rude to all of you who have them... im just saying because thats what was on the budget at the time DOESNT mean thats the best exhaust. Ive been building bikes for 13 years... imagine how many bikes, motors, exhausts ect ive ridden and built myself. The BEST parts are made by polini or malossi PERIOD!!! MADE IN ITALY and FOR RACE ONLY are there for a reason and have been for longer than Ive been alive. IM not saying that there arent other companies that make good parts... but price doesnt make up for years and years of engineering and racing. IF YOU WANT A FAST BIKE>>> YOU CAN NOT TAKE SHORTCUTS.... small two strokes are all about peak power... find out the specs on your cylinder... if its chinese and wants to run at 8500rpm buy a leo or whatever low reving pipe with heavy rollers to match 7g or so.... if its a high reving motor buy a high reving pipe(MHR or EVO)with 4g or so... A GOOD exhaust should cost as much or more than your cylinder. Think about it? Its like buying a 1080p 60" plasma to watch old VHS tapes on.. WTF???

[j~scoot]

Great info mechsmoto (http://www.provoscooter.com/forum/member.php?u=20712). I'm sure those pipes are winning because of the name of the poll though. Most people find them the be a good value even though there are much better pipes out there if you are looking for top performance.

[OveRReV]

mechsmoto if you're raving about the MHR & Evo pipes as the best you haven't used a Yasuni C21/C30, Roost, Metrakit Prorace pipes yet, for Minarelli engines they are the absolute best pipes for high end 70cc MHR & Evo kits. teh Spanish make the best pipes for Minarelli engines.

and then there's the 77cc-86cc MHR big bore, 78cc-86cc 2Fast, 80cc-90cc TCR kits that are top class cylinder kits if you want absolute power, 100+mph is common with these setups & each has their own pipe built specifically for them & there are a few custom pipe builders the do the job a little better.

[mechsmoto]

IM only talking about the pipes that are listed here.. not all the stuff you wanna brag about... if they dont have money for Evo or MHR parts ... i very seriously doubt they have money for machining blocks and "top class" cylinder kits as youve listed above... YOU should ease off a lil on your ATTITUDE... none of these guys wanna run 100mph for three drags and then rebuild... mucha gueva.... use your brain a lil bro... Im trying to help them build a quality, reliable machine, thats still gonna be the fastest bike in their town... thats all. Dont get your panties all in a bunch OVER REV... talkin smack to people that are only trying to help and stating facts

[zeonsredcomet]

i dont see a poll about the RS II how does that fair against the TNR tecnigas and RS I's so my question is what about the RS II i dont see an option for that because thats what im gonna get more then likely since it has good low end and mid and top end improvements a good bit from my research

[j~scoot]

The RS II is quite a bit better than the RS I. The RS I was lacking a bit in the top end, but the RS II is a much better all around pipe.

[zeonsredcomet]

I know i for one am looking forward to getting the RS II pipe big time. I will most definetely post my gains after i get my RS II In this thread

[price.is.right]

IM only talking about the pipes that are listed here.. not all the stuff you wanna brag about... if they dont have money for Evo or MHR parts ... i very seriously doubt they have money for machining blocks and "top class" cylinder kits as youve listed above... YOU should ease off a lil on your ATTITUDE... none of these guys wanna run 100mph for three drags and then rebuild... mucha gueva.... use your brain a lil bro... Im trying to help them build a quality, reliable machine, thats still gonna be the fastest bike in their town... thats all. Dont get your panties all in a bunch OVER REV... talkin smack to people that are only trying to help and stating facts

OveRReV is not bragging, I have never heard him brag. He is to my knowledge, by far the most knowledgeable and experienced and skilled tuner in this forum and many others. He is humble too. He states the facts.

I can't speak for him but I'm sure he didn't realize that you were only considering pipes in the poll list. That being said, the list IS fairly incomplete.

And as for the technigas RS II pipe, sure its a great pipe, but that only goes for sport and low end mid race cylinders. For anything but that, the RSII is NOT the best choice.

[g~scoot]

One thing to keep in mind about this poll is the question. What is the best bang for your buck? The Tecnigas, although not the most superior pipe on the market, it is a really good deal for the type of pipe you get and the improved performance it provides. Just my two cents.

[price.is.right]

One thing to keep in mind about this poll is the question. What is the best bang for your buck? The Tecnigas, although not the most superior pipe on the market, it is a really good deal for the type of pipe you get and the improved performance it provides. Just my two cents.

This is true.

[j~scoot]

You have a good point price.is.right though. This thread would probably be more useful in two polls, one for entry-level to mid-level pipes, and one for high-end pipes. Its really hard to compare bang for buck when you can have Tecnigas Next R and Malossi MHR pipes on the same poll. The only really bang-for-buck competitors of the MHR would be the Polini EVO, Yasuni, etc.

You mentioned the list bing incomplete. Post a complete list and we'll divide them up, close this thread and start two others. What do you say?

[price.is.right]

You have a good point price.is.right though. This thread would probably be more useful in two polls, one for entry-level to mid-level pipes, and one for high-end pipes. Its really hard to compare bang for buck when you can have Tecnigas Next R and Malossi MHR pipes on the same poll. The only really bang-for-buck competitors of the MHR would be the Polini EVO, Yasuni, etc.

You mentioned the list bing incomplete. Post a complete list and we'll divide them up, close this thread and start two others. What do you say?

That sounds great, I am going to do some research and get back to you with a complete list.

[thenags]

I currently have a Zuma with stock motor, Leo SP3 pipe, Malossi Multivar, Dr. P sliders, stronger contra spring, and clutch spring.

Scooter runs great and just about maxes out the speedo during regular cruising.. But looking for a little more. Originally went with the SP3 for sound and would like to stay with something thats still not crazy loud.

What do y'all think between the Tecnigas Next-R vs. the RS-II.. Both say they have a low noise level. What do y'all think would run better with my setup?

[g~scoot]

I would recommend the Next R with your set up given you have the stock cylinder still. As for noise the 2 are pretty similar. the RS-II is probably a little louder. Most of the noise with an upgraded setup comes from the open air filter. As for performance the Next-R is the better choice for the 50cc you are running.

[thenags]

Yea, I've been reading a bit more since I posted that and think I wanna swap the SP3 for it and see what I get from it. My scooter runs great now so it could only get better I imagine

[thenags]

Would I lose any low end with the Tecnigas?

[g~scoot]

probably not much. and any low end loss can be compensated for with roller tuning. given the change in pipe you will probably want to do that anyways.

[thenags]

I'm hoping my 6.5 Dr. P's will do the trick

[X7rocks]

me and zeon might have to trade off when he gets his technigas to try out my athena race pipe just to see how it goes as far as performance difference

[thenags]

I just wish the Tecnigas wasn't so freakin' ugly

[X7rocks]

a pipe like that is all the same.if you call one pipe ugly your saying there all ugly.since there all the same design.

[thenags]

a pipe like that is all the same.if you call one pipe ugly your saying there all ugly.since there all the same design.

It just seems to stick out so much farther than all the others

[X7rocks]

now that i think about it my athena pipe is kinda large....

[zeonsredcomet]

I think stock pipe is boring and kinda ugly and is annoying the heck out of me big time! I wouldnt mind to see the difference of the RSII and Athena pipe to see the difference. Im betting the athena is slightly better by probaly 15% or so overall but the RSII looks really cool and especially the chrome looks awesome.