Vino 125 just not enough scoot...

[waterinthefuel]

Does anybody else feel that their Vino just isn't fast enough? I was *almost* offered a job in our city that would mean going down a road with a 65mph speed limit, obviously too much for my scoot, rendering it pretty much useless.

If Yamaha would come up with a 250 version of this scoot I'd get it in a heartbeat.

**I turned the job down because I didn't want to quit my present job that I love for one I may not like at all.

[sooznd]

Water--I originally got my Vino 125 so I could commute to work. I need to take a 55 mph road for about 4 miles--of course everyone goes 60 -65. Some of it is hilly and my Vino struggles on the hills. I am at almost 6000 feet elevation and on these hils I can get my Vino to go 45-50 tops. So I rarely take the scooter to work.
I still love the Vino for out of town riding and do not regret buying it...but I don't think it is quite fast enough for the hilly 55-60 mph roads.

[Duncan]

I purchased my vino as a fun thing just to tour around the secondary high ways.

125cc is the smallest I have ever owned but suits the purpose for now.

But I do agree that if you are intending to do commuting on the main highways you would most definitely need considerably more cc.

I recently took my vino on the 401 it was a Sunday morning and comfortably cruised along in the right lane at 50mph put I would never attempt such a thing on a week day.

[Heat00]

I disagree.
I originally bought a Honda Met, and that was not enough, only did about 36-38 mph.
My Vino hit 60 yesterday :)

then again, I only ride around for recreation, not to work or anything.

I did run into a guy yesterday on a Vespa 150 at a stoplight. He was cool, said hello, and complimented on the Vino's looks.
I asked what he was on, knew it was a Vespa but he told me it was a 150, I asked how fast it would go, he said it hits 75.

interesting eh?

[GUNSGONZ]

Bottom line is you get what you pay for and if your smart you know why. Anyone who bought a Vino 125 without expecting it to be an off highway scooter gets a learning experience that they hopefully will not repeat. If you want a low cost quality commuter you buy a Ninja 250 (95 mph) for the same price as a Vino. If you want a fast scooter you spend the big bucks and buy Vespa 250 or spend the same money doing mods on a scooter that was never designed to be reengineered. Some people know, some people learn , some people never learn, but its always a choice
:dork: OR ...ninja

[SouthBySoWhat]

Personally, I don't want to challenge a 65 mph freeway on such a diminutive vehicle, big cc's or not. I hopped on one VERY briefly (less than 1/4 mile) to take a shortcut and felt like I was pushing my luck. I'm quite happy to use the plethora of secondary arteries here in Austin, plus it gives me more time with Princess... :)

[BarryT]

I never intend to take the scooter on the highway....I bought it for around town and for fun.....it's not designed for a highway machine. I agree that you need a much larger machine for that....but a 250 or 400 is then not nearly as nimble and easy to ride in town.

[waterinthefuel]

GUNZ, you are exactly right. My 3 finalists were the Vino 125, the Bet and Win 250 or the Ninja 250. I didn't know you could put saddlebags on a crotch rocket. Also, the insurance was 3 times higher than the Vino. The nearest Kymco dealer is 94 miles away, as per Mapquest. Basically it had to be the Vino. I saw some nice looking saddlebags on a blue Ninja 250, gorgeous bike.

I don't make enough to spend 3 grand on a toy. This scooter had a job from day one, to get me to work and back as cheaply as possible. It did that, except I may soon be working somewhere inaccessible to the Vino, thus rendering it useless. It would be like buying a private jet and finding out the trip you have to make is out of it's range, now you have an expensive paperweight.

You guys say to plan for that stuff, how could I have known that my company was fixing to get terminated as a leasee on the airport property? The A and P school I'll be going to for a couple of years is on the airport, so that's fine, but where in the world will I work after that? No other airport is within Vino range around here, so I'll soon be looking to upgrade if I want to justify owning a 2 wheeler.

I love my scoot too, darn it.

[Lennox]

....but a 250 or 400 is then not nearly as nimble and easy to ride in town.

yup, you should have got a larger "bike" from the get-go!

Nimble??? I say that ANY 2 wheeled vehicle is still WAY more nimble than any "cager"

[sooznd]

You guys say to plan for that stuff, how could I have known that my company was fixing to get terminated as a leasee on the airport property? The A and P school I'll be going to for a couple of years is on the airport, so that's fine, but where in the world will I work after that? No other airport is within Vino range around here, so I'll soon be looking to upgrade if I want to justify owning a 2 wheeler.

I love my scoot too, darn it.

Even though I am not using my Vino 125 as a commuter as much as I thought I would, I use it all weekend for errands & shopping and during the week for grocery runs, etc.
I don't need to justify the scooter for fun & practicality. Also if my car breaks down or is ever in the shop, I have alternative transportation.

I think if I weren't at a higher elevation, the Vino 125 would be perfect for me to commute with , too. Perhaps a 150 cc scooter would have been perfect.....but I wasn't willing to pay the extra $$ for Vespa. I have been reading that the Buddy 125 is a bit faster and has better acceleration than the Vino...so who knows I may eventually try that.

[Scoot Lord]

Vino cruises at 65 consistently. I would like to have a little more acceleration. But we can always mod to get more for the scoot. I have some things in the works and plan to have a conversation with yamaha in the near future i'll keep ya'll in the loop when i get some more info.

[Duncan]

Vino cruises at 65 consistently

Interesting.

What have you done to the vino to achieve that?

[Scoot Lord]

I haven't done anything to it. I am starting to think maybe because i'm at sea level i am achieving speeds like that but I have no problem keeping up with the lx150 other then on steep hills. Or maybe its because i'm anti windshield? haha just kidding I won't roll with the wind shield but i heard they can help you gain a few more mph's

[Skrapiron]

Water,

Have you considered finding a back-road route to the new job? 4 miles of highway isn't all that far and theres GOT to be a way around it.

I ride my scooter to customer sites as far as 40 miles away, one way. I got a handheld mapping GPS and found all the back roads. Most mornings, I prefer the back roads, even in my truck just because the traffic is alot less than the interstate.

[zenish]

im concidering getting the 160 kit.

[waterinthefuel]

Scootlord you certainly have a better scoot than me. I'm 32 feet above sea level here and I can hit 57 and not a penny more, and I'm about 150lbs and only 5'7.

And skrap, you really are onto something. I've considered getting one of those things. I guess there is some way to get up there but I dont know where. If there is it would be a very indirect route. Literally 20 miles of roads to go 5 miles as the crow flies. At that point it wouldn't save me gas as my truck would get the same in 5 miles as my scoot would in 20.

I was able to ride it today (got off a few minutes ago) for the first time in a week, and I had a blast. I was comfy at 45 and thats the fastest road in our town. The interstate still is off limits, but I sure enjoyed the cruise!

[GUNSGONZ]

GUNZ, you are exactly right. My 3 finalists were the Vino 125, the Bet and Win 250 or the Ninja 250. I didn't know you could put saddlebags on a crotch rocket. Also, the insurance was 3 times higher than the Vino. The nearest Kymco dealer is 94 miles away, as per Mapquest. Basically it had to be the Vino. I saw some nice looking saddlebags on a blue Ninja 250, gorgeous bike.

I don't make enough to spend 3 grand on a toy. This scooter had a job from day one, to get me to work and back as cheaply as possible. It did that, except I may soon be working somewhere inaccessible to the Vino, thus rendering it useless. It would be like buying a private jet and finding out the trip you have to make is out of it's range, now you have an expensive paperweight.

You guys say to plan for that stuff, how could I have known that my company was fixing to get terminated as a leasee on the airport property? The A and P school I'll be going to for a couple of years is on the airport, so that's fine, but where in the world will I work after that? No other airport is within Vino range around here, so I'll soon be looking to upgrade if I want to justify owning a 2 wheeler.

I love my scoot too, darn it.

As soon as you find out your job location is changing you should detail the scooter and advertise a sale, then get the Ninja 250 which will get you to your highway destination with about the same gas mileage as the Vino. Then once the new job puts more money in your pocket you can get another Vino. Your job needs are priority one..

[Scoot Lord]

Screw the job I scoot 25 miles each way to work. The Vino is my primary source of transportation. The only way I roll is on two!!! Keep it real man keep it street!!

[zgraphic]

I am about 6' 1" 290 lbs and have on occasion gone into the 60 mph range. I use my Vino to communte in town about 5 miles one way so it is great for me. I also made a decision along time ago to have a life first and then a career so that my potential to burn out is lower and my ultimate happiness is higher.

Isn't the philosophy of scooting based more on enjoyment and economy, not on how many horses there are under the hood or how fast the thing will do the quater mile. To me the only thing better than beating the cagers off the gas pump is protecting your lane as you ride at whatever speed you go at while they flail their arms and yell at you in their gigantic shiny suvs.

I love the idea of taking the backroads to the job, it sounds like an excellent opportunity to decompress from the day(Sometimes I extend my 15 minute commute to 30 or 40, just to do that).

I dunno, a new backroad commute sounds pretty cool to me....

[sooznd]

My job is in another town and there is no backroad between the two towns, only one 65 mph road and three 55 mph roads

[zgraphic]

Sorry, upon re-reading my post I sound way more hipified than I thought. Hmmm.

Sean

[jonboy]

The Vino 125 is fast enought, it could use a little more "kick." The 125 is much faster and more of scoot than the 49cc Vino. I drove a 49cc Vino for a couple of years, and I am now in "hog heaven" with the 125. No freeway for me, only surface streets. I drive it to work at least three days a work. The fuel savings is worth it. $3-4 for a tank of fuel in the Vino VS $85 for a tank of fuel in my truck.

[Skrapiron]

Had I not gotten the mapping GPS, I would never have found a parallel route to I-79. One of my customers is in Cranberry Pa. One way, it's 21 miles from my house using the interstate.
Since I cannot scoot on the interstate, I plugged in the address on the GPS, then hit plot route: avoid highways. Lo and behold, I now have a route north, that adds just 6 miles onto the round trip commute to the customer site.
There's always a way around the interstate. You have to remember that alot of State Routes and US Routes predate the interstate system by several decades. You just have to get out of the interstate mindset and find that old State route to get there.

What was that tag line for Nissan a few years ago? "Life's a Journey, Enjoy the ride."

[jonboy]

What Model GPS do you have? I have a Garmin Quest and there is a mounting bracket you can purchase for a motorcycle/scooter/quad or anything else with handlebars.

[waterinthefuel]

Zgraphic, you have a point, but in my case, it doesn't hold water. The reason I care about it's top speed is I don't want to run wide open at 57 in a 65 with drivers late for work in cages. If I can't keep up with traffic the Vino sits. Simple as that. It will be a couple of years before my job location changes, so I'll hold onto it for at least that long. Gas isn't going down anytime soon. I can keep my scoot for a while longer and it will still be worth something.

I never said anything about how many horses it had or how it would run in a quarter mile. If it would do about 80 it would be the last scoot I'd ever need.

I love my Vino so much though. I look at it sitting in the garage all shiny and new looking and ask myself how can I sell something I love with such a passion? It's the first thing I ever bought completely with my own money. My first financing experience. My first 2 wheeler. Alot of firsts for me. It's almost like my first girl, I can't just dump her!

[zgraphic]

Water, sorry for the offense if there was any (none meant). I hope when you do sell it you get enough to buy something bigger or that maybe Yamaha will have a larger version by then, who knows. My main point was about how cool I tought it would be to have a longer more rural commute. I have a no questions agreement with my better half that I don't ever get on the interstate period, on my scoot. It wasn't made for that anyway, especially with someone my size on it. I think you should take the advice of Skrapiron and get that GPS and find a way around the problem. You obviously love the scoot and enjoy it. That being said, if it was me, I would investigate the alternate route instead of giving up the scoot.

Again no offense meant.

[waterinthefuel]

No offense taken. I agree. I have always wanted a mapping GPS for my truck, and one that would work on either vehicle would be great. It could help me going to job interviews, places of business I've never been to, etc. Not to mention it's just plain cool.

I don't get offended easily. I was just pointing out to you that I'm not trying to race with it, just keep up with traffic! =)

[zgraphic]

Gadgets rule for sure.

[wowee1]

The Vino is the wifes bike, I've got a Sportster....She has been afraid of bikes for years. We started out 2 years ago on the Honda Met. This year she got her license and the Vino 125. I love riding with her, my goal is to get her on a Burgman in 2 years. She will have enough experience on the scoot by then, and with the Burgman we can go ANYWHERE!

IMO, the three bikes I mentioned are the best value in the scope of what they do. They are high quality, and great value for the money.

It sounds like the Burgman is in the cards for you, waterinthefuel....

[waterinthefuel]

Well, while I don't take back my words from before, but I sure have re-fallen in love with my scoot, being as how lately I've been able to do something more than look at it from inside the warm house. It's been unseasonably warm here and she's taken me to work every day this week, and I've loved every minute of it. I get off and just say a big "wow" and ask myself how I can get rid of something that's so cheap and fun.

The answer is I can't. It's treated me well, it's easy and simple to work on and it's fast enough for around town driving. Something that I forgot about was if I get a job at another airport.....I can just move!! I won't live here for the rest of my life, just until I get back on my feet, then I'll volentarily jump out of the nest for the second time. This time I'll be more financially and legally able to stay out.

I may get a bigger scoot in the future, but right now I'm in love with her. She's doing the job expected of her without a hiccup, so why change a good thing?

She's got a Givi (or other) trunk in her future, as well as the fancy taillight and blinkers and the cool looking side trim. No way can I get rid of her now, we've just begun our tinkering phase! LOL

[kermit]

Couldn't agree with you more Water.... Just installed the rear blinkers and taillight. Nothing will return my peace-of-mind/calmness than a ride through town on my Vino.

I'm curious now - what Givi Trunk did you get? I have a E30N on the met but was wondering if the Vino needs something larger?

This might be a completely new topic/poll - but is your scooter always the opposite sex of the rider?

pascal

[sooznd]

Kermit-- I am using the Givi E30N from my Vino 50 on my 125...it is the perfect size.

Oh yeah--my Vino 125 is a guy--- because he seems so much more powerful than my Vino 50......, but I guess you need to figure out which gender your scooter is--time will tell ;)

[waterinthefuel]

Kermit, the Givi E30N trunk is ok, but its a bit pricey, especially if you want to get a brake light kit for it.

I'm still trying to decide on what trunk to get!

[jim21]

U should check out the MBK website,those r yamaha's too.They have other colors and bigger scooters..Wish they would import over in the U.S.A..

[kermit]

Got the Givi E30N and it's perfect. Susan - i also installed the tail light and blinkers. ordered the bullets for the front today.

headed to the motorcycle show in dc tomorrow... nothing in mind to buy just kicking tires.

pascal

[Clown]

Tire pressure at max, Mobile one in both crank and rear, bend down so low that you can allmost put your nose on the speedo, slide your but all the way to the back of the seat to do that, keep legs and arms as close together as you can to become eaven more earodynamic, No big flappy clothing, It allso helps to be on the thin side...I weigh 155.
BTW. ...I get on I-95 every day to go to and from work. I allways hit 65mph but have hit 70 on perfect conditions, like tail wind or drafting a car.

[waterinthefuel]

Clown I did everything you said, minus Mobil 1 in the tranny, and I top out at 58mph. I'm 5lbs heavier than you, at 160. Not all Vinos are alike.

Kermit, I got the large trunk from JC Whitney. I like it's increased size and decreased cost over the Givi. I've had no trouble with it, it even has an internal luggage strap! LOL

[BarryT]

Interesting comments on top speed. Many years ago (30+) I was into rally cars. 1600cc and under. I can tell you this. TINY changes can make significant differences in performance. Tiny changes in carb settings, slight differences in the air intake coming off the assembly line. ignition settings on one side or the other from from the spec in the manual. Any combination of these combined with a small engine can make a noticeable but puzzling difference in performance. In my day, two supposedly IDENTICAL Mini-Coopers would often have a difference of 5mph or more in top speed and a second or more from 0-60mph. I expect the same thing happens with Vinos. If my scoot is at the average of 11hp , and yours is at 11.25hp because of "fortunate" factory tolerances.....yours will be faster than mine. 1/4hp means nothing to a 150hp ,2000lb car .....but means a lot to a 160lb, 11hp scooter ;)

[waterinthefuel]

I'd but that in a heartbeat Barry. The difference is probably exponential in relation to size and weight of said item. In a 2000lb car, 20 hp increase, 15mph top speed increase. LOL 20 hp increase in our scoots and we'll be running with the Ninjas!! LOL

[ScooterLibby]

Drafting a car on a small scooter... on the interstate??? You have bigger cajones than I, my friend. I can attain 60-65mph without too much trouble on a cool day with no wind on a flat or slightly downhill surface. At full throttle in same conditions I began to climb beyond 65 and found that to be scary as hell on a scoot with only 10" wheels (things got wobbly!!)... I only weigh 135lbs, but I always have about 4-6 lbs of crap stowed in the underseat compartment (emergency tire kit, reflective vest, wrench for mirrors, disc lock)... I've got an S06 windshield on the way, we'll see if that improves matters any besides keeping the freezing wind off me :)

[waterinthefuel]

On my previous post that should have said I believe that. That's what I get for trying to reply at what is the end of my day. It's ok, I slept until past 2pm! LOL What a schedule!

[Lennox]

Tire pressure at max, Mobile one in both crank and rear, bend down so low that you can allmost put your nose on the speedo, slide your but all the way to the back of the seat to do that, keep legs and arms as close together as you can to become eaven more earodynamic, No big flappy clothing, It allso helps to be on the thin side...I weigh 155.
BTW. ...I get on I-95 every day to go to and from work. I allways hit 65mph but have hit 70 on perfect conditions, like tail wind or drafting a car.


your name says it all. 95 is NO place for a scooter, or even a motorcycle, or even a compact car.... heck any vehicle is a deathwish on i-95. Keep in mind folks, I-95 in Hollywood/Ft. Lauderdale is min 5 lanes, and 6 in areas (each way) ...stupid. .

[GUNSGONZ]

Back to the thread subject "Vino Performance". We finally had a break in the wind and weather here in AZ and it was a beautiful day today, still and bright about 60 degrees. After my daily workout I took the B12 (GSF1200) out for a maintenance ride which was great with the usual couple sport cars that come up to me on the expressway for a little challenge with the B12 pulling away as usual in only 2nd gear, real G-force fun. After lunch and the usual mellow drama on TV I decide to take the Vino to the market before the son went down about 6 mile trip on a slight grade. I have taken this trip before and was able to maintain 50 but this time it does 40. But this isen't the first time this thing runs faster on some days then others or like the RPM revs faster on some days then others and I am sick of it. I have been waffling on weather to sell this thing next spring and get something with some guts at least.But I am going to give it one more try by doing the intake, jets, and exhaust modification. I don't know what the red line on the Vino is but at full throttle it cant be running faster then 4000 RPM tops. Its a great looking scooter but its got the guts of a Briggs & Stratton mini-bike. If I knew it was going to be this gutless I would have spent the extra money and found a used Vespa 250.
,.,.

[Duncan]

Some are getting 40 To 50.Others are getting 60 To 70

Mine is not broken in as yet. I just don't know what to expect :confused:

[Scoot Lord]

Remember people this is a SCOOTER!!! if you wanted more power and speed get a motorcycle. Seriously. I want a little more power myself but i am going to get the stage 1 kit in the next few weeks, in no way and i complaining there isn't a nother scoot out there that looks as good as a Vino! (in My opinion)

[waterinthefuel]

Scoot, you're right. I just love the curves on my girl. Good thing is, unlike a real girl, they don't get bigger and bigger with time! (Susan don't hit me!!)

I do like the looks of the Bet and Win 250, which from their website, appears to have been discontinued. Damnit. The Suzuki Burgmann and Yamaha Majesty also hold their own.

[GUNSGONZ]

Don't get me wrong people. One of the big reasons I picked the Vino was that it had the basic styling of the Vespa which is the quintessential scooter right. Also because of it convenience to hop on and go. My concern is all about performance for the sake of safety, I feel as if I am going to get creamed because my performance seems at a crawl. Anyway since I know of no one that makes a kit that includes exhaust, jetting and air box modifications, I am going to attempt that first myself to see if I can get the engine to breath better. If anyone has a lead on which main jet and pilot jets increases are being used with seccess including part numbers, I would really appreciate it. I will just have to take it slow and monitor the spark plug burn with each stage of the mod. First the stock exhaust cut gutted and re-welded, fallowed by the air box holes small at first progressing with jet increasing in steps depending upon spark plug burn until optimum breath and burn is achieved. That should increase HP by at least 16%-20% but also smoother and faster acceleration, at least it has always worked with motorcycles. After that I will look into CVT if needed. o--

[Scoot Lord]

When you figure that all out right up a how to process. I need to start modding but am limited in my mechanical skills. Keep it on 2!!

[GUNSGONZ]

I will complete with photo's

When you figure that all out right up a how to process. I need to start modding but am limited in my mechanical skills. Keep it on 2!!

[BarryT]

I am about 175lb and to me the Vino is just about perfect for around town use. I rarely exceed 50kph (about 30mph) on city streets and when I do get on an urban collector road I have no problem doing the 60 or 70 kph that most traffic is moving. I never intend to take the scooter on an arterial road or highway....that's not what I bought it for. I prefer my car with cruise control for that :)

[GUNSGONZ]

Your comment brings a good point to mined. I can defiantly see that if I lived in the inner city or even in a large town how speed would not be an issue for the vino. But I left all that and now retired in Arizona where viability is 100 miles in every direction and neighborhood roads are like main access roads and main access roads are like highways. Take into account that most roads around here are two way roads and everybody behind you feels the need to do least 50 MPH (NOT KPH) minimum. So what is considered fast city roads is considered crawling on long rural roads.

I am about 175lb and to me the Vino is just about perfect for around town use. I rarely exceed 50kph (about 30mph) on city streets and when I do get on an urban collector road I have no problem doing the 60 or 70 kph that most traffic is moving. I never intend to take the scooter on an arterial road or highway....that's not what I bought it for. I prefer my car with cruise control for that :)

[ScooterLibby]

Guns, take a look at threads posted by Puddleduck and Jered. They did a lot of mods for performance, but didn't get a lot out of it as I recall.

[GUNSGONZ]

I realize that. The Vino 125 will not realize nearly as dramatic a HP curve change from a simple pipe and jetting change as a 2-stroke would. For a 4-stroke its more of a package of small improvements that comes with better breathing such as smoother idling, improved acceleration and response, and less combustion chamber heat heat which is good in summer, and yes slightly more power and torque (1-2 HP).
In contrast when I re-piped and jetted my 125 RM100 the power curve change was dramatic which in this case I de-tune bringing the peak power down from about 27HP at 7000-8000, to about 21HP between 4000-7000 RPM with an increase in low end torque, more manageable for trail riding as opposed to volatile wide open track riding. But de-restricting the Vino 125 is worth knowing its running optimally rather then with a regulated choke collar on which will shorten engine life and reliability.

[waterinthefuel]

27hp? 21? How can you get that out of a 125, when our Vinos sport 11hp? I don't get it.

Does 2 and 4 stroke make that much difference?

[Scoot Lord]

The vino 125 is restricted?

[GUNSGONZ]

My point was the basic comparison in the way 2-strokes and 4-strokes respond differently to basic de-restriction not the bike itself or it HP rating. And I was referring to the Suzuki RM100 (same exact bike as the Kawasaki KX100) because that is what I have in a 2-stroke (not a scooter). RM standing for "race motorcycle" with a race engine so don't let the HP surprise you, remember this is an off road only MX machine. Anyway scooters have a completely different 2-stroke engine although operating principal is basically the same.
http://shutter15.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/02/002/4D/D1/74/A8/dZYl6w4qEgJiDXkCjcq644xg5tlz8wzt0300.jpg

[QUOTE=waterinthefuel]27hp? 21? How can you get that out of a 125, when our Vinos sport 11hp? I don't get it.

Does 2 and 4 stroke make that much difference?

[GUNSGONZ]

I wanted to answer your question but I won't pretend I have done this to a scooter before but the principal should be that same. To answer your question YES. From what I have researched so far the Vino 125 shows signs of having a regulated carburetion restriction. This is evident from those who have tried to tamper with the air box by opening it up or trying to install a K&N filter, at which point it burns so lean that it burns the piston. This is a tell tale sign that carburetion has been restricted and shows a classic opportunity to increase carburetor air velocity and or increased air volume with an increase in fuel flow through re-jetting / re-sizing, and thereby increasing combustion, and power. After which this is where maximizing exhaust flow comes into play. Remember we are talking 4-stroke so please lets not apply 2-stroke theory here. There is no reason why the Vino 125 should not be able to have a balanced brown spark plug burn with the air box completely exposed combined with increased fuel flow through re-jetting pilot & main jets or a larger carburetor depending on the balance between carburetor volume of air intake and velocity with respect to fuel flow partial atomization into the combustion chamber for optimal burn creating additional power, albeit not as much as these type changes would yield in a 2-stroke.

The vino 125 is restricted?

[ScooterLibby]

When most folks think of "de-restricting" a scooter, they're thinking of 49cc models that have washers in the tranny to keep the variator from putting all the power to the pavement... and adding a performance exhaust, on a 2-stroke.

[GUNSGONZ]

Because of EPA on-road requirements, 4-stroke restriction has pretty much been in the carburetor jetting and airbox department, forcing the engine to bun less fuel and robbing some of some power and increasing heat due to lean combustion. Although static test show a cleaner and more fuel efficient result, actual test under load show additional fuel burned and no gain in emission due to the additional throttle use to compensate for the loss of power and why CPU controlled fuel injection is replacing carburetors providing the best of both worlds. Anyway making any changes to any these systems on your scoot without having a good idea of the cause, effects and result (checking your spark plug burn) is asking for disaster in the form of diminished engine life if not melted, cracked, or seized pistion.

[Scoot Lord]

so does anyone make a high flow air filter for our vinos? If they did would we have to adjust the card? Sorry i never have had much of a chance to work on engines so i'm learning as i go here. Thanks for the info

[GUNSGONZ]

Not in the form of a tested and certified kit by companies like Dyno-Jet. But there is probably someone out there who is knowledgeable has has gone through the trouble to come up with the right combination of jets, shims, airbox holes, and muffler modification to provide optimum stock engine performance. I am going to do this but not quit yet as I have other plates spinning right know, but I will and will post a detailed how to without all the setbacks.

so does anyone make a high flow air filter for our vinos? If they did would we have to adjust the card? Sorry i never have had much of a chance to work on engines so i'm learning as i go here. Thanks for the info

[Dennis]

This morning I rode the Vino 125 to work. It is a blast to ride and I get a top speed of 60 with my 210lbs aboard. Highest speed limit is 45mph.
I also own a 250cc Honda Helix and a 250cc Honda Big Ruckus. Neither of these scooters are fast enough to ride on the freeway. Think about it. You're going at a top speed of 70-75mph and suddenly need to get out of the way of a developing situation (be creative, come up with one). Guess what? No throttle left! You're wide open and only have manuvering to save your butt.
I also ride a Honda 49cc Ruckus to work occasionally. Its good on roads with top speed of 40mph, but the same situation exists. Its top speed is 38-40mph with no throttle remaining.
My Vino 125 is fantastic on roads up to 45mph because you can still accelerate.
I no longer ride 2 wheels on the freeways unless its on my Triumph Bonneville.

The Vino 125 is the most fun ride.
The Honda Helix is the most comfortable.
The Honda Big Ruckus is uncomfortable and going to a new home.
The little Ruckus is good for a campground vehicle.

I want a second Vino 125. A blue one. Its a great scooter.

Dennis

[ScooterLibby]

Yes, a maxi scoot that tops out around 70 mph isn't truly interstate worthy if you're in a major metro (i.e. clogged with traffic). Hell, here in Atlanta you'd be dead if you rode any slower than 80mph in the two inside lanes. It all just depends on your conditions. In a more rural area where the interstate is never full of 80mph cars jockeying for position and 18 wheelers, maybe.... but not in a major metro.

[GUNSGONZ]

I have to agree here. Glancing down at the gauge and reading the KPH to fool myself doesn't work either. Again its a great scooter for what it is but Yamaha could have gotten better role-on performance out of this displacement if they wanted.

[waterinthefuel]

In all fairness, with the large trunk attached out back, 42 degree temp, with a slight tailwind my scoot hit a record breaking 63 mph this morning!!! That was hauling tail!! It was so peppy, it loved that cold air!!

[GUNSGONZ]

I got to get me some virtual hip boots for this place.http://www.tackleunderground.com/forum/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[avangi01]

I just got my Vino a few months ago and have only put 399 KM and am anxiously waiting for spring to arrive. So I am still a newbie. However, I believe the Vino 125 has just the right balance of price, power and style for getting around town. But, I would never take it on the main Hwy here the 401 where the average speed is 120 Kmh. I prefer running at max 65 kmh which is my comfort zone. The secondary Highways by my place are 80 Kmh and I can take the Vino on these with no issue. But like I said I feel more comfortable at 65 kmh. I am still trying to break in my scoot so I am trying to keep it at 1/3 throttle, which is killing me _o. The fastest I have gone so far is 95 Kmh and I have the Canadian Yamaha windshield installed from my dealer, which is different (and better looking - IMHO) then US version. You should be able to view it at the link below:

http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/accessories/accessory_list.php?model=2045&category=16&group=M


OR you can search the www.yamaha-motor.ca site

This is a great introductory scoot for me and will give me years of fun. But I have to say if I had to commute daily even on a secondary Highway I would want more juice. One scooter I have had my eye on is the Piaggio BV500 aka "Beverly 500". Man that thing is sweet. It would be a few years before I can convince my better half with the need for that ride as well but the campaign has begun :...

Thank
arnold

[zenish]

that would be a good winter time windshield,but ill bet you lose at least five mph over the us yamaha windshield because the extra area.

[waterinthefuel]

Welcome to the forum Arnold!

People are split between the US and Canadian windshilds. I was told the US has a much better mounting system, more sturdy, if you will, than the Canadian one, but I'll tell you that extra hand protection in winter would be greatly appreciated.

Many people on this forum have done some unique things to customize their scoot. Feel free to ask and we won't hesitate to share.

[avangi01]

Thanks for the welcome..

I agree the mounting was a little goofy ..in-fact I pointed this out to the dealer and we had to flip the brackets upside down to get it to work properly and it is still a little off ..Only noticeable to me however ..its like when you paint a room and miss a little spot ..nobody notices ..but you know its there

...However once it was good and tightened.. I haven't noticed and movement...

Granted ..I have to see the US version in person to really see which one I like better ..but I do like the chrome trim on my shield ...my wife thinks it looks like a Police Cycle with it ...which is not necessarily a good thing in her book :jesta:

I think the addition of the hand covering may actually add speed ..not reduce it ..as the air has one surface to roll-off

Thanks
Arnold

[BarryT]

It would be interesting to somehow compare the speed of the same VIno with US and Cdn screens. Maybe swap screens for a series of speed runs. The US one has a much superior mounting system, but for cold weather the Cdn gives better protection. I think the Cdn would give better speed because it would cut down turbulent air flow around the hands, arms and handlebars....but it does "push" more air so I could be wrong.
I fully agree with Avangi01....the 401 is no place for a scooter...its no place for a Harley or anything smaller than a Hummer IMO :D

[waterinthefuel]

In the cold crisp air we are having down here now the 125 is performing like a stuck cheetah.

I'm very happy with it, and am looking forward to riding it when the weather gets warmer. Now that I know where full throttle really is, going 45 will be a non-event.