Perpetual ultimate set-up thread

[Davey-boi]

Ok, lately I've been hearing really good things about MHR performance parts so I decided to conatct Erich since he is a malossi dealer. If you want a full blown MHR set-up (sweetest parts on the market).... here's the breakdown

MHR 25mm Carb: $239
MHR Reed Cage: $79
MHR 70cc kit: $299 (which is on backorder)
MHR over range (entire tranny): $394
MHR Crankshaft: $239

Of course, you'll also need a performance pipe (Erich recommended the tecnigas RS, even though the Next could also work.) A couple of guys say the jolly moto pipe is the best, but that'll set you back another 200 bones. There you have it fellas, if you want the baddest scoot on your block... thats what you'll have to pay. Anybody know how fast the scoot will go with this set-up (70mph :confused: )????

*** these quotes are for the yamaha vino***

[marylandmark]

I have been wondering- what does MHR stand for?

[marylandmark]

Clutch?
Belt?

Do you need any of this stuff with that setup or does the over range take care of all of that? If I am correct you don't need springs and weights with that either?

Thanks!

mark

[Lennox]

Overrange does it all


"Mallosi Hyper Racing"

[marylandmark]

What is the difference between the MHR and MHR replica?

Would this be considered a "full race" set up. I am not worried about the power because I am sure it will make plenty, I am worried about the "dependability challenged" issue. As in does this need rebuilt all the time?


This is all you will need to order?

MHR 25mm Carb: $239
MHR Reed Cage: $79
MHR 70cc kit: $299 (which is on backorder)
MHR over range (entire tranny): $394
MHR Crankshaft: $239


mark

[Zuma88]

MHR (Malossi Hyper Racing) the replica is is the next grade up from straight malossi it go's Malossi, MHR replica, MHR.

[marylandmark]

Thanks!

So it also appears that there is an MHR pipe as well or am I reading it wrong?

Would the whole MHR setup be the best way to go or what is above with the Jolly Moto?

I sent Jolly Moto/Karin Dekker an email and they said the dude I need to talk with will be back next Wednesday.

mark

[Zuma88]

i had a half MHR step up and had 5000 on my zuma, my friend has every signle MHR part you can get for a new zuma expt the fornt forks, he has 3000 miles on the set up and still run very strong

[marylandmark]

both posted at 7:31 - LOL

mark

[King Vino]

Glad I didn't post when I saw you were both replying to the same thread at the same time :)

[Zuma88]

the MHR pipe is not as good as the Jollymoto the jollymoto is the best pipe better the malossi and polini pipes.

[isoscelesjones]

Bagpipes are the best pipes of all

[marylandmark]

Just wondering if you are joking?

Bagpipes really an exhaust?

Links to it?

It is ok if the joke is on me..

[Zuma88]

ther not scooter pipes. bagpipes are the music type it was a joke.

[marylandmark]

Huh?

[devonrs]

you know, bagpipes, that the scottish play? come on man....

[Davey-boi]

Muahahahahahaa, muahahah ahaha hhaahaha! :D This turned into a funny thread. :D

http://www.bagpipestore.net/sr_bagpi_plasticsmallpipes.html?theme=bagpipes

[marylandmark]

LOL...

I get it, I get it...

I had a feeling that this would backfire on me...


I really don't know all the brands out there and so on and not one of these experimenters that are going to get 1230 pipes to try out and then make the right choice so had to make sure it really was not a brand..

:)

[marylandmark]

Here is my kit so far for my 2004 Zuma:

MHR 25mm Carb
MHR Reed Cage
MHR 70cc kit
MHR over range (entire tranny)
GPS for testing before/after if the weather permits

Question is do I need the crank? I know it would be good to have it and nobody can estimate how long the stock crank will last and so on but do you think I HAVE to have it and why?

The reason for the question is this-

The person I want to work on my scoot's time table does not allocate the labor intense process of installing the crank, letting it dry after assembly and so on- another day, day and a 1/2 instead of an afternoon...

mark

[Zuma88]

i would replace the crank it is safe, and will improve your perofromance..
your stock crank has been bilt for low rpms, or MHR cylinder kit is a high rpm cylinder so

high rpm cylinder
+big mhr cab
+ stock low rpm crank
_____________________________
= broken crank screwed up cylinder and posible need for new crank
case.



i would run new crank unless you dont mind taking the chance of having to replace your crank and anything it damages when it brakes,

[Zuma88]

it takes me alittle under 3 hours to spilt the crank case and install the new crank, even tho i do have the tools to do it i only used a standerd screwdriver

[XPS1210]

I agree, if you can afford it and havesomeone who can do it... get the crank installed as well...

It only makes since...

However the crank is a major ungrade and takes a large amount of time and experience to accomplish it...

[marylandmark]

The person doing this work is more than qualified so I trust him 110% with my scoot.

Time is the factor.....

I would LOVE to get the crank done- just a matter of he can't do the crank due to time constraints. If I am going to get someone else to do the crank I am guessing it is just as easy for them to do the rest of the setup as well.

Thanks and my ???'s have been answered- just a matter of finding out how to get around this issue such as mailing my motor to him and have him install the crank and then reinstall the motor when he does the other parts or some thing like that.

See I am good at taking things apart- it is that damm "putting them back together and not having 1/2 of them spare" problem I have.... LOL

[Lennox]

I hate leftover parts:eek:......... What is your riding style? Lots of start and stop, or lots of W.O.T. (wide open throttle)?

[marylandmark]

WOT most of the time.....(well since I have like 400 miles I really ride WOT and then back off for 1-2 seconds and then back on it and so on- try to vary it since I am still breaking my scoot in sort of..)

I am wondering why you are asking?

Does start/stop or WOT put more stress on the crank?

I read someone put that with a high rev'ing motor it is better to get the crank so with me riding WOT I would need the stronger crank?

[marylandmark]

I am going to get the crank and work from there- it will all work out some how.

Now-

I have heard that the an improvement for this setup would be to get the flat carb instead of the regular carb.

Input please!!?!?!??

I ordered every thing but this and a pipe so need input fast.

mm

[Lennox]

Flat carbs are WAY better.......better responce,a nd eficincy. The only problem I have so far, is that the 24mm flatslide I got (mikuni) will not fit unless I cut a hole in the bottom the underseat storage bin:confused: Needless to say I have not installed it yet.

[marylandmark]

Erich told me this:

round/regular carb= better low end

flat slide carb= better top end


d slide carb= best of both worlds. It is flat on the back and round in the
front (could be vice versa-forgot what he said...) This also has some
sort of fuel drip tube that gives it a power boost when running WOT.

Any more input on this anyone?


Here is what I ordered- few things are backordered and once they are in stock Erich will be shipping them out to my installer buddy.

28MM D-Slide carb
MHR Reed Cage
MHR 70cc kit
MHR over range tranny
MHR Crankshaft

From someone other than Provo since they don't carry it- yet I hope:

Jolly Moto carbon 70 pipe (still working with them on maybe getting a group buy going and so on and will update when I find out more)


mm

[Davey-boi]

same set-up as me! Our scoots are gonna rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[marylandmark]

I would like to take the time to thank Jered and Lennox for all the testing and playing and buying tons of parts and so on for for me to come up with what I wanted to order....

A lot of others put in their input as well and thank you!

You have a GPS?

I am going to get one so I can post some real speeds and would be nice to see how we compare.

[Davey-boi]

Actually, a crazy turn of events has come up. I'm gonna sell my vino to my cousin and get a 05' vino 125 that just popped into my yamaha dealer. I'll take reliabilty over speed any day. Plus those disk brakes are awsome! But I'll try to get my cuz to buy the set-up, then we can still compare.

[Lennox]

Mark, thanks for the thanks;) ......but......it is my pleasure....really!!

[marylandmark]

125- nice!

I thought about going that route but I like the "toy" factor with my smaller scoot. 125 to me would be like getting a motorcycle and if that is what I wanted I would have gotten one. (when I read my statement it sounds harsh but that is not my intent)

Reminds me of being a kid or some thing I guess....

[Aviatrixie]

I know exactly what you mean, Mark.I already have a motorcycle, but I'm having a ball fixing up my Vino. I got my basket and windshield last week, my new S1 tires come in this week, and I just emailed Erich about putting together a stage one kit with the Malossi OverRange. Think it will do 60 with the OverRange? On 49cc... it's all about getting the most from the least! ;)

Erika

[marylandmark]

60 with the over range might be obtainable- I have not talked or seen anyone with this installed as of yet so not sure how great it really is.

I am hoping since I am going the stage II route 60MPH will be no problem.

I figured once I got used to my new found speed with a stage I that I would be going for the stage II so I skipped up to stage II from the get-go.

[XPS1210]

stage 1 and stage 2....

what are those...

stage 3 and 4... more my taste...

You know the more I hear from members... No one has these installed yet... the O/R kit...

1 guy swears he does and it made no top increase at all... however I'm not sure who he is or if he is a reliable informant or not...

Erich, when I asked him about pipes... he said to get the O/R kit for some extra top end... and other dealers said it was a bad boy part... increasing the top end...

I have not installed this on mine... so... I'm not able to speak from experience... and even if I get it now... I will not be able to test the speeds till april or may (alaska winters...)...

So... mark will have to tell about the increases... then again... he will be doing much more at the same time... so it'll be hard to tell what it does...

[marylandmark]

I am getting a little Leary of this thing now...


GGRRRRR

All I want is a turn-key low maintenance scoot and I was under the impression spending $350 for a tranny was part of that solution....

I asked before if I needed anything else like springs, weights and so on and the response was that the O/R took care of it all. Granted this thing is new and none of us has played with it yet so I understand if wrong info might have been posted- I am sure it was an educated guess that would have been far better than I could have came up with, hence why I asked the question to start with.

I am still going to get it along with my other parts but now the question once again is what else do I need?

Delta clutch?
Springs?
Weights?

:confused:

[marylandmark]

So.....

Let's start this list over:

MHR Reed Cage
MHR 70cc kit
MHR over range tranny
MHR Crankshaft
28MM D-slide Carb
Pipe (yet to be determined)
Racing bearings- yea/ney?
Crank seals
Clutch Bell housing
Oils/fluids- what types?
Gears- what sizes?

Anything else???

[Lennox]

wow Mark, you might beat Jered and I to the 60+ zone!!! Then again, maybe not;)

[XPS1210]

there are 2 different gears you can get... 2ndary and primary gears...

I have 2ndary which is what erich sells... They made a nice increase on my scooter the way it is...

The clutch is "stage 3" of the installs on provo... once you get to stage 2 the next step is to upgrade the clutch and reed cage...

I have the delta clutch... I like it... I don't have any issues with clutch slip or anything like that...

You can get away with the stock clutch but more surface contact is better... Than just changing the springs on the stock clutch...

The O/R kit should include the springs and all that stuff... Part of the kit is the malossi variator which includes that stuff...

I think that one of us needs to get it and get it installed to be able to tell what the facts and myths are... I'm writing back and forth with erich about the kit a little and trying to work out getting one through him... we'll see what happens....

[marylandmark]

I am game to be 1st on this-

Just every time I think I know what to order some thing else comes along- gears, seals, rev limiter, d-slide carb and so on..

Can someone list EVERY THING I need down to the last detail?

I know- pain in the butt....

[XPS1210]

you need a scooter store! HAHA!

Or to live in the same town as Erich...

That's my goal to move close to a scooter store so when I need something I can go and have the part in hand in a short time...

This waiting a week or 2 for parts to make the trek to Alaska from the 48 US sucks...

Heck Lennox ordered his new cylinder after (I'm pretty sure) I ordered mine and he has his... Mine... It's in the mail! HO HUM...

I know that ericka is kinda burn't out from trying to figure what to buy... Unfortunately the lack of "performance" knowledge of the Over range has a few of us on burn't out alert....

[marylandmark]

Anyone contact Molassi about this to find out more info?

I am guessing since they make it that they could shed some light on it for us.


phone 631 427 4045 or 1-888-ITALJET (This is the US distributor of Molassi- we can't buy straight from them so don't everyone try to call to try to get a deal!)

[XPS1210]

I emailed the guys at the contact link on www.malossi.com which is the offical Malossi site...

also, there is no store front there and unless you are a dealer they will not sell to you... so it's a great place for researching parts...

their web site doesn't say much about it other than that it's a great upgrade but doens't say much more...

basically what I posted on the forum under the O/R kit...

Now when I recieve a reply from them I will post it on here for all you guys to read...

[rydah]

only get the overrange kit if you plan on getting the mhr bridge port single ring cylinder, if it just a MHR replica then dont waste your money. you also have to get the right pipe if you get that MHR cylinder too or else the trans and cylinder wont even work right. i you get the complete MHR set up with a real race pipe you can get a vino to do at least 80mph with wheel stands from everylight you take off from.

[Davey-boi]

Whoa, thats what I'm talking about!

[XPS1210]

here is what I have to say...

I posted asking if anyone had any time with the over range kit... Not one reply with experience of this kit...

Now after the fact... There are all sorts of posts here and on yahoo about how the kit won't do anything for a scooter... BLAAH BLAAAH BLAHHH.....


Here is the facts... I have one on order... when it arrives, and weather permits I will post a how to and gains given by it... so no more Beating around the bush or false postings on this kit...

[marylandmark]

:)

Awesome

[rydah]

i have a polini speed tranny witch is the polini version of the mhr overrange and the first thing i noticed was it made my bike rev a lot more then before. before the bigger trans i was running 33 grams in my pulley and with the bigger trans i am running 24 grams.
the best cylinder from malossi is not the mhr its the speed/team or cross cylinder. those are watercooled cylinder. known as level 5's. the mhr is the level 4. the level 4 is the best malossi aircooled cylinder.
for all the guys with the upright motor the jolly moto might be the best pipe, because the other race pipe wont let the motor rev like it should, but for you guys with the new zumas and even the vinos the jolly moto pipe is not the best. the yasuni c20 and 21 are the best. even the TJT and bidalot c20 and polini evo2 is better than the jolly moto pipe.
oh yeah when you get that over range get yourself a die grinder cuzz you are goin to have to grind plenny so you can fit that big rear pulley and make run for that belt to move without hitting your side over and tearing into pieces.