Darn good stock performance. Why Modify?

[Clown]

I get 55 with head wind and 70 with a tail wind , tucked down to slice through like a knife. I eaven get on the interstate on the way home from work sometimes at around 9 pm ( yes I know its not legal ) when theres low traffic and eaven pass some cars. Its only two exits so its over real quick.
I think she is fast enough. Stock is perfect IMO and the MPG is great. If you modify it to make more HP, then more HP will = less MPG and great MPG is the reason I got her in the first place. I love this thing and stock is the way to go. IMO.

Sincerely.
Clown.

2006 Vino 125, Blue, 1200 miles, Modifications...Mobil 1 crankcase....mobile 1 gear oil.....couple kiteboarding decals.....thats it.

[puddleduck]

[QUOTE=Clown]I get 55 with head wind and 70 with a tail wind , tucked down to slice through like a knife. I love this thing and stock is the way to go. IMO.

Sincerely.
Clown.

My only problem is that I don't get those speeds. i wish i did.

Right now with the wind at my back I'm reaching 56 miles and hour.

I commute to work where the speed limit is 62...in canada that is 100 Km. so me doing 85-90 km/h is ok, but a little more umph would be nice. if I was doing 70 m/hr I would be happy too.

[Clown]

Puddleduck, it seems like your scoot should do better than that. are your tires inflated enough? presure is key!! I keep mine at max. how old is your bike ?

[puddleduck]

it's a 2004. I'll take a look in the morning to see how my tire pressure is. My stock muffler broke because of the long exhause bolt fell out. (Keep an eye on that). i bought a performance exhaust which is nice, but I lost low end torque. withthe stock exhaust, the fastest i went was 65 m/h. but that was down a nice steep hill.
you are right. it's a nice ride and 125 cc's is really good. but the tweaker in me always wants to get more juice out of it!

[Sorrow]

Some people like myself modify just to see what can be done and push it to the limits....I can reach 115 in a headwind and even more with a tailwind. Stock is fine as well but for me the ability to raise the bar is a challenge to me. I took on my Vino as a project as all the people I rode with were hardcore Vespa and Lambretta folks. They wouldn't and some still won't give my Yamaha the respect I have put into it. The funny thing is now I can challenge their attacks with hard earned results. I had a comment made to me on the weekend by one of the diehards who said to me"You know what Chris, I give you credit for having the .... to do what you did to this Yamaha. Don't let anyone tell you differentely." That was my challenge. I wanted to take my scoot that I love and give it some well respected credit. We all have heard it. They ask is that a Vespa? Me, I can reply that it is a Yamaha and it will challenge any Vespa. The one thing about the 125 is that stock or otherwise it appeals to all the types and what they expect from it. Puddleduck knows that he likes the style of the 125 now we just need to sort out his ride problems. Alot of which right now are tuning issues as he changed his pipe. Every action causes a reaction. His pipe change now needs some loving to get his rewards of better speed. He also has seen the results of variators and pulleys even with a lame exhaust. I would like to thank you Clown for opening up a thread which can let everyone discuss why they choose or don't choose to modify. I could say that I am unhappy that I blew the exhaust studs off my scoot but you know what I am happier to see what happened when it did and then let you guys know so you can avoid it. If I was a person who didn't want the challenge I could have called my wife up and asked her to pick me up and throw my scoot in the back of the element. If I did that I would have been unhappy because for me my scoot is the thing in life that is mine. I can choose to push it to the limits. Change her looks, fix her when she falls apart. Get angry when I have to go back and change weights because I think I can get better speed. And have pride when I reach a speed everyone tells me is unnattainable for a four stroke engine. Once again thank you for the mind provoking thread.

[Clown]

I respect all the tweekers out there for I too am one...I had a ford mustang that I modded till it ran real good and strong, but the truth is that it ran with glitches, Idling problems, pinging, so on and so forth. I had allways wished I had left it stock. I have a feeling that if I leave my scoot stock, Im going to be able to get 100.000 miles on her without any real problems. By that time gas should be close to 8 dollors a gal in the US ....just a guess. On another note..
I am glad to know that there are more and more scooter owners out there because if just 20 % of the auto drivers out there would own scooters and drive them time to time, then we would give Big Oil a kick in the rear. Scooter owners rule. Modded or not.

Sincerely
Clown

[redbw70]

Clown, you reach 70mph on your !STOCK! V125?? I have a real hard time believing you. 70mph is close to 115kmh wich is what Sorrow gets out of his modded V125. Mine is stock 05, absolutly identical to the 06, and ~58mph is the most i ever got FOLLOWING A SCHOOLBUS!! I guess your 4'3" and you weigh 82lbs!!

[Lennox]

Keep in mind that things run faster in South Florida.... :jesta: o_o

[Sorrow]

Yeah all the citrus in the air must thin it out so you cut thru the air faster...... :race: LOL, Hey Lennox any idea what I can do to replace the studs coming out of the bottom of the cylinder block.

[Sorrow]

Clown, you reach 70mph on your !STOCK! V125?? I have a real hard time believing you. 70mph is close to 115kmh wich is what Sorrow gets out of his modded V125. Mine is stock 05, absolutly identical to the 06, and ~58mph is the most i ever got FOLLOWING A SCHOOLBUS!! I guess your 4'3" and you weigh 82lbs!!

Red, it is possible to get to 105 stock on the 125 even close to 110 by rolling the throttle and backing off with several miles and patience to get to that speed. Mind you it has to be a perfectly calm day to do so. I only hit 115 stock once that was on a long downhill with a backdraft. I weigh 115 lbs. Modded wind doesn't affect me at all much anymore and have good pull in midrange.

Before changing pipes (unless yours broke, right Puddleduck) I would change the variator to a racing one if you can't afford to do both. You will get more benifit by doing that first than just changing the pipe.

[Lennox]

Yeah all the citrus in the air must thin it out so you cut thru the air faster...... :race: LOL, Hey Lennox any idea what I can do to replace the studs coming out of the bottom of the cylinder block.

on the 2 strokes, the studs unscrew... not sure about the 125's. Why do you need to change them?

[Sorrow]

Guess you didn't hear. You can get the story in the longest trip thread. Blew the studs in half while showing off at a scooter rally on a long downhill. Boom!!!!!

[Clown]

Redbw70...Im sorry your bike doesent run like mine, and your not believing me on my mph really makes me sad. I have no reason to make up storys here. If your ever in my neiborhood I would love you to go for a spin on my bike so you can see for yourself. But if that never happens I guess I will just have to roll up into a little ball and die. for I will never be able to live without being believed by you Redbw70. LOL

[recumbentsrcool]

Is provoscooter going to sell performance parts for the 125? I've been 60+ mph going down a hill on my way to work. Going up the road that comes before the hill is another story!
As a side note, My scooter used to go up this hill and slow down to 40mph and now it slows down to 35mph. A few weeks before, i got a flat tire on my way home from the store and rode a good 2 miles with a flat back tire (zero air in the tire). Assume the belt is stretched or its time for a tune up ( just past 1k mark and have no reipts before 350 mark/ 1 month ago).

[joka_d]

recumbentsrcool, congrats on your scoot purchase. I would give it sometime to break in the engine. You will get more of a performance out of the scoot once all the mecanics have been worn in. Just like a pair of shoes.

[Sorrow]

Is provoscooter going to sell performance parts for the 125? I've been 60+ mph going down a hill on my way to work. Going up the road that comes before the hill is another story!
As a side note, My scooter used to go up this hill and slow down to 40mph and now it slows down to 35mph. A few weeks before, i got a flat tire on my way home from the store and rode a good 2 miles with a flat back tire (zero air in the tire). Assume the belt is stretched or its time for a tune up ( just past 1k mark and have no reipts before 350 mark/ 1 month ago).

Check the play in your throttle. If it has stretched it will affect the speed.

[Sorrow]

on the 2 strokes, the studs unscrew... not sure about the 125's. Why do you need to change them?

3UH-E4651-01-00

That is the part number if anyone needs to replace the studs coming out of the cylinder if the studs break. I just oredered six of them to have spares on hand if needed. I also ordered new copper gasket along with replacement nuts and exhaust bolts.

[bruiser]

Okay, so the reason I am considering upgrading my Vino 125...A friend put it really clearly for me: If I'm going to have to get a motorcycle license and pay the same amount of insurance as a 1000cc crotch rocket, I may as well have a bike with enough power to go anywhere any time on. Right now, even though I can get 90km/h on my stock 125, it would be nice to get it up past 100km/h with less decelleration on steep hills so I could feel comfortable with highway traffic.

[puddleduck]

Right now, even though I can get 90km/h on my stock 125, it would be nice to get it up past 100km/h with less decelleration on steep hills so I could feel comfortable with highway traffic.

That's exactly what I said to Sorrow when we first started talking.

90 is nice, but 100 would be nicer. 110 would be perfect.

My muffler conviently broke so I upgraded to a performance muffler. So now instead of the opening being the size of a dime, it is noe the size of a quarter. now I have to add the extra bits to back it up.

[redbw70]

Anyone, do you think the engine on a stock V125 can support such speeds (110kph+) without damaging importantly on the long run? Also, Sorrow, tell me what variator and weighs to buy and i will, if it is sufficient by itself to improve accelaration and a bit of top speed without having the engine reving at 12000 rpm! Also, if i install one of the available pipes currently, will i have to rejet and fabricate a homemade air filter cause the original box seems extremely restrictive. Thanks!

[Sorrow]

http://wayne.visualloft.com/scooter/parts.php

Here is the link to go to. You have two choices to pick from. I will not tell you what to pick as it should be a choice thing. The POP was what I chose. The NCY has a little better performance due to the teflon coating on the variators. Pipes are almost identical the POP pulley set sends 12 gram weights which seem to run well. The NCY you will need to order weights on top of the price. Jetting: I played around with but got the best plug chops with the stock jet. The pipe only made the scoot flow air easier out the exhaust the air coming in didn't increase much. You will need to reset your idle as the engine isn't working as hard now and the idle jumps way up. The airbox is good stock and has more air than you think coming into it as the forced air fan feeds the airbox as well. I modified mine before I even went to performance pipe and pulleys. It is not needed but doesn't hurt if you are careful. As far as speed hurting the engine. Still up in the air as it has not been proven for the long run at higher speeds. The zuma has been around for years with performance parts and it is good. From what I have witnessed the 125 is a strong engine but I can't honestely tell you that it has been proven to be over the long run with perf. parts. ie. Pipe studs blowing off at high speed which is what I am dealing with now. Also you risk more chance of the dreaded exhaust bolt snapping as the pipe has alot more vibration than the stock setup.

[redbw70]

Thanks Sorrow! I still have a few questions if you don't mind, i replaced the variator of a BW's before, anything different for the V125? You're sure that the variator alone with the 12grams will improve performances? How does that work, cause on the BW's it was like everything or nothing...?

[redbw70]

Btw Sorrow, i'm curious about that studs thing, were the nuts tightened according to specs or maybe just a bit too hard? Cause dilation of the metal under high heat(downhill WOT) with parts tightened too hard produces that kind of event... just another opinion other than vibration.

[Sorrow]

It was the cause of vibration and heat. Snapped off and the center was blued. As far as the variator. You will see a little improvement but not until you do the pipe and pulleys will you get the best results. I also did my clutch but still can't locate anymore of them. You will still get good results if you don't do anything with the clutch.

[redbw70]

Sorrow, i mean pulleys(i mix pulleys and variator), so, just the pulleys and the 12grams will do some good?

[Sorrow]

Yes, I was clarifying that you will need the pipe for best results but will get a little with the pulley with rollers (variator).

[evilezekiel]

i am bummed because the exhaust is not currently in stock & i have been given no indication of when they might come in.

[Skrapiron]

I took it easy on my new 125 for the first 140 miles. Going up the steep hills here in western PA, I was keeping it right at 35mph, at about 3/4 throttle.

I rode it to work this morning up PA60. It's 4 lane, limited access, but my scoot is still legal to use there. After I got on the road, I opened it up all the way. At 6Am, with no traffic, I topped out between 52-55mph. I'm going to take my GPS with me tomorrow to verify the speedos accuracy.

If this engine breaks in like the one on my wife's 50 has, the top end should get better. On the flat, my wife can get to and hold 40mph, and drops to 37 up gentle grades. Not bad for such a little bike.

I'll post the results of my GPS measurement tomorrow.

[dscooter]

I've only been able to get 53 mph with back draft & 48-49 mph against the wind. on a 05 V-125, I will say I believe the Vino 125 to be the best scoot I've seen
would apreciate more info on mods, new to the site so haven't found any info yet, only mentions of pipes & variator ?

[scootinTally]

So I'm here reading this thread and was wondering...

what is the diff beweent the variator and the pulley, and does a pulley kit (like the NCY or POP one at jiangwayne) account for both? I am curious because I am a tweaker at heart, but have NO experience with small engines. If someone can provide me some insight, it might make that purchase and subsequent tinker time much easier!

Thanks.

[redbw70]

The variator is the part of the pulley kit that has the rollers inside, it moves toward the fixed half pulley, the other part of the kit.

[ChibiMoto]

Clown, you reach 70mph on your !STOCK! V125?? I have a real hard time believing you. 70mph is close to 115kmh wich is what Sorrow gets out of his modded V125. Mine is stock 05, absolutly identical to the 06, and ~58mph is the most i ever got FOLLOWING A SCHOOLBUS!! I guess your 4'3" and you weigh 82lbs!!


I have reached 65 on a calm day/ long streatch; on flat avaerage about 62-3 mph with no harsh headwinds, only after adding the shield though, without the shield I'd max out at roughly 55ish, and screaming all the way. _o

[Scoot Lord]

im a little late on this post however my scoot avg. is 55-60 on the 101 here in socal. Not sure if its because i am at sea level but I make it work work quicker on my baby then i do i my car. I am however looking into modding right now and was wondering what is going to give a little going the steep hills here. There are two hills that i only push 35-40 on. Any suggestions?

[Scoot Lord]

o and i'm not really as stupid as my post makes me sound. I have been known to spell correctly every once in awhile.

[Sorrow]

Do a search and you will find the info you want!

im a little late on this post however my scoot avg. is 55-60 on the 101 here in socal. Not sure if its because i am at sea level but I make it work work quicker on my baby then i do i my car. I am however looking into modding right now and was wondering what is going to give a little going the steep hills here. There are two hills that i only push 35-40 on. Any suggestions?

[Sorrow]

Finally got around to installing my new licence plate cover. It is lighted with LED's and it has the full Sorrow treatment with the studs I added. Still need to add to four big ones for the corners but you get the idea. Should help with being seen. :cylon:

[sooznd]

Sorrow-- WOW--is that ever VISIBLE

Did you just wire it ot the existing battery system or is it self-powered.?

[Sorrow]

It came with the three wires to tap into my rear brake light. It gets brighter when I apply the brakes. Cost was only 35 dollars canadian.