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erich
10-04-2004, 11:34 AM
Hello all. It has come to my attention that there may be some performance to be gained in modifying the Tecnomoto Variator from the way it ships from the factory.

I will be doing a complete howto on this that I will post on the website, but I wanted to give the forum dogs a heads up first since it will be a day or two before I get the howto posted.

Basically, if you look at the back of your variator (the part the rollers are in when you put it together - not the silver ramp plate) you will see the three posts that the sliding vee bushings slide on (the plastic triangle bushings that go on the silver ramp plate). You will also notice that these extrude past the outside edge of the rest of the variator - they "stick up" (if you hold the variator level with your eye and look across the back of it, you will know what I am talking about).

These are preventing the variator from retracting all the way, which in turn does not allow the belt to get all the way down in between the front pulleys (where your lowest effective gear is located).

Now that you know whats going on, lets figure out how to take care of it. By removing those three "posts" you can gain a lot of low end due to the lower effective gear you will now have access to. You can remove them by many different means. The one I use is a bench grinder. Just grind the posts down until they are almost or all the way flush with the back round edge. If you use this method, remember to clean up the edges where you grinded away the posts with a screw driver or sandpaper as the grinder will leave a little hangover of material which can destroy your sliding vee bushings.

Another method for those of us without bench grinders is to use a hacksaw. Probably equally effective, but just requires a little more work. Still check those new edges to make sure they're smooth.

Now, why does the Tecnomoto variator come with these? I have no idea, but you better believe that I will be talking to the factory and I will either get them to fix it, sell them all pre-modded, or find another solution. Performance is the number one priority here, and I am commited to it.

When you do this mod, post your results in this thread and lets see how it works out. I did it over the weekend to my lab rat Zuma and it gained a lot of low end power, with more of a "jump" off the line.

Thanks everyone for making the forums a great place for constructive information, and thanks for making it a "non-flaming" forum, where all can post without fear of being lit up.

m3ster
10-05-2004, 12:17 AM
Don't listen to Erich, he does not know what he is talking about on this one.












JUST KIDDING!!!!

Erich was kind enough to do this mod for me and the take off from 0-10 is greatly improved. Good work, Erich.

Lennox
10-05-2004, 03:11 PM
Great tip, can't wait to try it.......

I have thought this through a bunch of times now..... The only drawback that I can think of (only speculation) is premature belt wear. Does the belt now go down past the "flat" spot on the vari? if so, the jumping back on could wear the belt. I will experiment this weekend.

erich
10-05-2004, 05:46 PM
The belt will not go all the way down to the center of the crankshaft sleeve, but a lot closer than it was before. Just about where it should be in my opinion.

Lennox
10-05-2004, 07:01 PM
For those that don't know....

vailitrev
10-06-2004, 04:22 PM
I did the mod and it seem to make quite a difference in my take off excellent recommendation :) :) :)

XPS1210
10-06-2004, 06:35 PM
I thought about doing this but... I only modded part of it... I had some spots on those tabs that looked like they were rubbing onto the 3 phillips screws on the piece behind the variator...

So I took 1/2 of the thickness of the tab (not the way you were showing above)... OOPS! Guys a little more thought, as I was 1/2 way there!


GREAT IDEA! CAN'T wait.... with my set up... Heck, maybe wheelies are possible!

hungff77
10-06-2004, 10:44 PM
Will a dremel strong enough to preform this mod? or must be a bench grinder? It seems it is very hard to do this mod with a saw, no where to grip....So, will a dremel work?

Frankie

XPS1210
10-07-2004, 12:15 AM
I took what I did off with a sanding disk on my dremmel... I tried the grinding disk on the dremmel and didn't get very far...

Only bad thing about the dremmel is it will take several sanding pads (circles, what every you want to call them)...

The other thing you could try is a reinforced cutting disk on the dremmel.... That would easily take them off...

hungff77
10-07-2004, 11:49 PM
OK, I done the mod, I put the vario vertically on the vice, saw most of the sticking out post off (a little bit more than half). Then I use the dremel and the griding disk to take the remaining off. Then I use the sanding circle (that is the dremel) to clean up the edge. The whole thing takes about 10-15mins, excluding take the tranmission apart and putting it back together. The belt positions looks better then before. The only thing is I won't have time to test it till a few days later...

Frankie

hungff77
10-08-2004, 10:45 AM
Ok, i have this concern after I done the mod and snap everything together.

As many of you know how the variator work and the roller close the front pulley, here is what I am thinking:

When we cut the sticking out posts, will it led to the back plate of the variator get completely push/slide out (out of the post) when the front pulley complelely close? In other word, would the back plate get compleltly spin out of position when I go wot and reach the top speed, because the post is shoter?

I do not have time to take it apart and look into it for a couple days, anyone will to take a look at this will be great. Thanks

Frankie

Zuma88
10-08-2004, 11:32 AM
my thoughts to that is why i was asking if i will lose any top speed.

XPS1210
10-09-2004, 06:23 PM
I did this today! AND HOLY FREAKING COW!

It wants to get off the ground on it's own... Litterally could pull a wheelie from a stop by itself! WOW!

XPS1210
10-09-2004, 06:27 PM
oh. also about the metal piece coming off the variator... I had mine at WOT on the stand and it held in place...

With my mods... I'd have figured it would do it with mine if it was going to... Maybe with extremely heavy rollers?

hungff77
10-09-2004, 09:56 PM
OK, I take a look at the variator again. When the roller push the pulley half away from the plate (That is when the front pulley close and the belt at the highest point of the front pulley.) The edge of back plate is about 1mm above the variator. This mean the v-guard are barely on the post, since I take the sticking out part off.

The rememdy to the situation is either do not completely grind the post to the edge of the variator, I would say leave about 1-2mm, the other way I do is I use the replacement v-guard sold by erich, because the replacement vguard is much thicker than the one come with the variator. This way, the back plate is a bit more secure with the variator when it goes wot.

Frankie
p.s. I took the pictures of it but the file is too big to attach. :p

mikhail masevich
10-11-2004, 02:58 AM
Does only Technomoto variators have this? How about stock or metra kit

Lennox
10-11-2004, 04:48 PM
The stock vari can be done as well.... if you look close, you can see the "step" that I cut in. This cannot be done on a bench grinder, you either need a die grinder, or a dremmel for the stock one....

XPS1210
10-11-2004, 09:29 PM
okay, so here is an update for the WOT and the bushing holding place...

I was incorrect, under load the bushings will not hold in place with them cut to the same as the face of the variator...

2 things... either don't cut them all the way off... Leave a tiny amount of it there...

or... I just installed the "replacement bushings" I ordered from provo.. they are almost 2 times the thickness as the ones that came with the variator.. It appears as though they will hold... I will ride tonight to works and run at WOT to see if they come off as well... I'll try and post in the morning to let you guys know the outcome!

Also... only 1 of the bushings came off... So it appears as though it just barely happened...

Jered :)

Lennox
10-12-2004, 03:34 PM
did the plate spin, or just the slide came off? Sounds like a mess?:eek:

XPS1210
10-12-2004, 07:42 PM
the plate stayed where it was supposed to... it even pushed the scooter fine... except for 1 of the bushings came off... I rode it fine yesterday and it runs fine and the bushings (replacement ones from provo) stayed where they were supposed to...

Wasn't a mess just one of the bushings was twisted and sitting in the tranny cover!

marco
10-17-2004, 12:19 AM
I bought my parts from *** 04 zuma 70cc,19mm carb,pipe,variator on 9.15.04 when in installed the parts i saw the variator was wrong i called them they told me i was wrong. Its the wrong part period and the manufacturer should send everyone a correct part. Mine is modified i ground them of with grinder.

King Vino
10-22-2004, 12:52 AM
CLICK HERE FOR PART II (http://www.provoscooter.com/vbull/showthread.php?t=646)