Tn'G Venice LX [Archive] - Provoscooter.com

Danjak

12-06-2005, 12:42 PM

So I just got back from the scooter shop and put a deposit down on a Venice LX. Pretty stoked by it. :D

The owner tried to talk me out of it because of what he said is a weaker engine than the Venice - the Venice apparantly having more zip. Still, I need a two-seater for me and my wife, so I went ahead and got the LX, even though it doesn't have the same power. I hope I won't regret that.

Anyhoo - very excited. I'll keep y'all updated when it finally comes in. :smokin:

speedy_scooter

12-06-2005, 01:00 PM

Whats funny, they use the exact same motor. There are zero motor differences between the two of em.

Danjak

12-06-2005, 01:17 PM

Whats funny, they use the exact same motor. There are zero motor differences between the two of em.
Really?? Maybe what he meant was that since the LX is heavier, it doesn't have the power of the Venice.

Actually, what's funny is how he said it to me. He tried to talk me out of it by saying that the only people that buy the LX are gay guys who are afraid of the power of the Venice. It was so inappropriate and politically incorrect that I had to laugh/cringe. Not a knock - I otherwise liked him a lot - but that did catch me off guard! :note:

Scoot-FloorDaa

12-06-2005, 01:44 PM

Being a salesman, who really dislikes salepeople in general btw, I'd have to say he had a financial gain in selling you the Venice. Manufacturers often offer salespeople spiffs to sell products that are not moving. I can't imagine that anyone would not opt for the LX for the small price difference. Just another case of an idiot not taking the time to listen and find the best product for his customer. This started years ago with auto sales and now affects anyone in a sales position. Anyway congrats and good luck!

sooznd

12-06-2005, 03:31 PM

the strange thing is according to the TNG website the weight of the Venice LX is 165 lbs and the weight of the Venice is 170 lbs. The load capacity of the LX is 330 lbs and the plain Venice is 165 lbs. So the LX is lighter in weight and can carry more.

Venice LX
Load Capacity = 330 lbs
Dry Weight = 165 lbs

Venice
Dry Weight = 170 lbs
Rated Load Capacity = 165 lbs

Scoot-FloorDaa

12-06-2005, 06:39 PM

Spiffs=Cash

harry

12-06-2005, 07:14 PM

what sooznd said plus
disc on the frt
i sell the vnLX492 in my store. the LX is 100$ more msrp but i sell the LX before the vn492
it appeals to all kinds 50-60y.old ladys, 18y.old males and everyone in between
the LX is a better scoot.... mine's black & white and it goes
45+ just de-restricked.

Danjak

12-06-2005, 08:06 PM

Sounds like my salesman may have been misinformed. I was told that only gay guys drive them (no idea what gave him the impression that I would change my mind based on that), that they're slow as heck when compared to the Venice ("The Venice will blow by the LX like it was standing still."), that the Venice outsells the LX by 15 to 1 because nobody wants an LX, and that if I de-restricted it I could *maybe* get it up to 35.

Oh well... I was adamant about what I wanted and ordered one anyway. So I guess that's all water under the bridge. It should get here in about two weeks..... until then, I'm just going to stare at the clock. :D

sooznd

12-07-2005, 06:43 AM

Danjak--your salesman sounds like a real jerk. What kind of intimidation is that telling potential customers only gay guys drive a certain scooter?

I would be very tempted to go into the store and seek the sales man out after having ridden the scoot for a while just to tell him " Gee Mr Salesman, you were right, the moment I sat on the LX it was like an act of God, suddenly my sexual orientation changed!"
However, I have better brakes and can carry a passenger, too, all for $100 more.....:jesta:

Seriously though, I would ask to speak to the store owner just to let him know some of the sales ploys being used. You may need a good relationship with the shop for service & parts & of course, accessories!

Danjak

12-07-2005, 09:30 AM

lol... that WAS the store owner. And yeah, I have a feeling I'll be going back there a lot to get stuff done. It was definitely strange.

sooznd

12-07-2005, 10:30 AM

On second thought, what the owner really neglected to tell you is that only gay people ride scooters. LOL

I belong to another scooter forum and the biggest complaint from the guys riding scooters is being called a "fa##%t" by some people in trucks & cars.
Amazing ! :eek:
People all over the world ride scooters for transportation. Only in America does it become a sexual identity issue ;)

Spyder John

12-07-2005, 11:27 AM

Only in America indeed. I can't think of anything to say about those people that would be appropriate in a falmily-oriented forum, so let me just say this. When I rode a motorcycle the only people who aproached me to start a conversation were guys. Now that I have my scooter, I'm amazed (as would be my wife) by the number of cute young women who seem to flock around wherever I go.
Then again, maybe they just feel safe 'cause they think I'm gay.

Scoot-FloorDaa

12-07-2005, 03:38 PM

Spyder John

12-07-2005, 07:35 PM

Oops, sorry. Yeah, I was looking over my shoulder when I typed that.

Danjak

01-17-2006, 11:33 AM

sooznd

01-17-2006, 03:16 PM

I started this thread back on Dec. 6th. My salesman repeatedly assured me my scooter would arrive before Christmas (about two weeks later). It's been almost six weeks now... and no scooter. can't. take. it. anymore! _-_-_-
As his penance for misleading you and making you suffer scooterless for so long, he must provide you with a FREE helmet and some other accessories of your choice :spiny:

xraydino

01-17-2006, 04:54 PM

Well it finally happened, someone (not to mention any names, Spyder) let the cute chicks dig scooters out of the bag. I'll have to park the scoot for life and kiss the girl friends tail for years. Thanks.lol

Funny you say that Scoot. I was at one of our local cigar bars this past weekend and had a girl jump over the wall to hop on the back of my zuma.
I don't care if you have a 30K Harley, chicks dig scooters! :naught:

GreenFlagRacing

01-20-2006, 09:05 AM

Hi all! I'm new to this board and have a couple of questions. First of all, let me say that I own a 95 Harley, which is pretty darn nice! I also just recently purchased an 05 Venice LX, which is a blast! My roommate bought a Honda Metro which has the black and white checkered design and is extremely cool since we live in Speedway (Indianapolis), very near the track. Anyway, I just want to say that I had no idea about the passion of people who ride scoots, and I think it's great! I don't get on this board too often, but I just love reading people's comments! My questions are, does anyone know of a windshield that would fit my scooter? Apparently, the 04 model had a small one that came with it, but the 05 does not. The store I bought my scoot from has an aftermarket one, but it's HUGE! Also, my floorboard is white, which I'm not looking forward to cleaning every whip stitch. Does anyone have any ideas about this? My neighbor suggested maybe spraying it with a substance similar to Rhino-lining (black). I think that might work, but I don't want to ruin it! Any ideas would be great! Thanks all and keep on scootin'!

sooznd

01-20-2006, 09:58 AM

Green Flag--Welcome to the forum & congrats on the new scooter.:sunny: I thought the TNG Venices came with rubber mats,? I know the plain Venice does. Maybe you can just buy a mat from your delaer. The floorboard on the Vino is cream color too & back in 03 when I got mine the regular Vinos didn't come with a floor mat either, so I ordered one from my dealer. it has really h3elped keep the floor board clean and free of mud and stuff.

harry

01-20-2006, 11:58 AM

i have a lx myself and yes you can get a windscreen
& the floor mat from your tng dealer.
but no they(lx) don't come with mats any more.
if i remember right the netrual floor mat is about $12
and the ws close to $130. if you have trouble getting this stuff pm me as i am a tng dealer.
BTW:
these mats & windscreen fit most
vino/tng/geely scoots that use that style floorboard. the
ws has a 8mm hole for the mirrors, you will need to drill them out for a vino.
oilyhans

Scoot-FloorDaa

01-20-2006, 12:52 PM

Funny you say that Scoot. I was at one of our local cigar bars this past weekend and had a girl jump over the wall to hop on the back of my zuma.
I don't care if you have a 30K Harley, chicks dig scooters! :naught:

Yup know what you mean and where you where. Can't tell you how many times I've given rides to complete strangers. The girls seam to loose that attitude that us guys are only looking for that one thing. Lots of fun and a great ice breaker. I mean it would be if I didn't have a girlfriend. :naught:

GreenFlagRacing

01-22-2006, 07:01 PM

Thanks Snooznd and Harry for the information. I really appreciate it! Unfortunately, my dealer said they didn't make the smaller windscreen for my scoot. Maybe he's just not aware of it. Not sure I want to spend that kind of coin for one anyway. I just received my new trunk for my scoot. It's green with the "white" plastic accent. I didn't take the trunk all the way out of the box at the dealer's and so I didn't notice that part of the white has yellowed. I've tried some cleaners to try to whiten it, but nothing has worked. I'm a bit shocked that T'ng would send something so defective. :angry: I mean, it's really yellow, like part of it sat in the sun or was exposed to a lot of smoke. Pretty disappointing. For $100.00, I think I may have them get me another one. I hate to be a pain in the keester, but that's too much dough for a trunk that looks like this. Anyone else have this kind of problem? Well, enough of my griping. Hope you all had a great weekend!

harry

01-23-2006, 01:07 PM

Tng has hundreds of those luggage boxes go out a month
still in the box, they never see what is inside, the dealers job
is to be quality control....
the WS i was talking about is a full sized one .. are you wanting the tiny one for the speedo? those are under 10 bucks.
oilyhans

GreenFlagRacing

01-31-2006, 09:11 AM

That's what my dealer said about those luggage boxes, that they are sent out sight unseen. My dealer then acted like it was kind of standard to have yellow on the white part, and that it would turn yellow anyway after it sat out in the sun! Funny, he didn't bother to mention that casual fact before I bought it. He also mentioned how it costs him $20 bucks per return, like that's my problem. In any event, he said he would call to see if they can find me a better one. What a pal.

GreenFlagRacing

01-31-2006, 09:13 AM

Oops, sorry Harry, I forgot to answer your question about the WS. Yeah, I just wanted a small one. Again, my dealer acted like I couldn't get one of those for the 05 Venice LX.

devonrs

02-10-2006, 10:50 PM

I just bought four 2005 Venice LXs (I got the best deal on earth). I've owned a Vino before, but am new to this scoot inparticular.. Is the derestriction process the exact same? Also, on one of them the turn signals do not blink, they're just steady on, though none of them are burned out.. ?? And lastly, one of them wouldn't turn off when I removed the key! I had to use the kill switch.. then I started it again, and it did stop when I removed the key that time... I've never heard of that.. anyone?

Thanks!
devon

speedy_scooter

02-11-2006, 06:23 AM

I'm guessing that if the signals arent working then you'll need a new flasher. As for the key not turning the bike off take a look at the CDI, there should be several wires that go straight back to the motor and then probably 2 more that appear to go up to the handlebars. Not sure what color TNG uses for their ignition but I know that Vento uses a dark green bullet connector for the key. Just look for any unhooked wires or any snipped wires. Oh yea, the derestriction is the same.

harry

02-11-2006, 09:10 AM

the alarms' fuse should be removed if they haven't been already.they drain the battery 'cause they always on waiting for a signal.
when useing the alarms/remote starters *many* people can't turn off the scoot with a key. thats why the dealers where removing the fuse, now they don't come with alarms. that could also be due to loose wires or connectors perhaps the ing switch.
what motor is used in your scoots? the LX has 2 different suppliers. the motor with a prefix of "JS" (look on the mso or your warrranty slip and its not the vin#)has some different sized front shaft & splines like for the variator is,
tng has had some trouble getting some parts for them.
also how do the starters sound? the JS motors had a bad batch of starter or one way clutch's they sound like there's gravel in the starter. i had 2, one made the noise about everytime you hit the button. one was interminent & about every 4th time you get the noise. this is not a real bad engine lunching problem, just noise. but it doesn't make noise when kicking it.
these clutches are made with some plastic and part of the corner was missing where the spring & roller are that ride on the race of the srarter gear. this is a tiny flaw and you can hardly see it. it is covered by warranty if you have one.

the washer used for the restrictors in the ls & lx are huge with such a tiny hole ...... just de restricted(exhaust) i find they go way faster(42-45) than a vino derestricted(exhaust & variator) 32-35mph
i'm guessing the oilcan picture on the speedo is about 45mph. i haven't pushed the LX as it is my dealer demo but i ride it more often than its demoed and it only has about 130km so its not broken in yet. wot here i come!!!!

i had a chat with the sales guy (Garret) at tng he told me
he had a lx that was moded with 70 cc cyl., pipe, rear clutch,clutch springs & variator . claims he gets wheelies and 60mph.

oilyhans

devonrs

02-11-2006, 02:45 PM

Okay, the alrm fuses are still there, cause the alarm works. i'm not sure what motor it is, i'll check..

I'm not sure how the starters sound cause the batteries are either dead or garbage, so I've just kick started them.. Also the bikes were already derestriced, and they, well, the one I've ridden so far, goes around 42-45mph (btw a derestricted vino goes 40+, not 32-35 - i owned one for quite a while and my girlfriend still does)

Okay.. now my next problem: all of a sudden, they won't kickstart! I drove one of them last night, the one with the most miles on it (around 600km), about 6 miles, it started on the first kick, multiple times, then a few hours later, it wouldn't start at all! After kicking it over and over, I let it rest for an hour or so, and tried again, nothing..

When I got home, I kick started another one, it was sitting cold all night, and it started on the first kick also, a couple times, then about ten minutes later, it wouldn't kick start either! Also, they both smelled heavily of gas after justa couple kicks, so I'm pretty sure they're flooding, but what's wrong and how do I fix it?

Then I thought I'd try for the electric start.. I attached my wall charger to one of the batteries, but it doesn't seem to be getting any charge from the charger (according to the meter on it) and on another I hooked up the charger that came with it.. I don't know if it just takes a while or what, but that also seems to be doing nothing... ??

harry

02-17-2006, 06:29 PM

those tng battery chargers don't shut off automaticlly
so don't keep it on for more than 5-6 hours max or you
will boil the acid up & maybe out of the battery.
use a meter to check, 12.5v-13.0v battery is at full -100%

i know its a dumb thing to ask but, there is a kill switch on the
lx.. its in the go position right?
how much gas is in the tanks? all them full? i wonder if the previous owner put gas stabilizer in it. gas doesn't last 90 days.
water in the tank makes for hard starting. when in doubt drain the tank, drain the carb then fill tank, then try to fire it up.
fresh gas, clean air filter, good battery, those are the major problems i see when most people bring me their scoot when they don,t start or run well.
i find cleaning the air filter every 600km keeps my 6 rental scooters running smooth.

dude its been real cold here in seattle real cold air won't
carry as much gas
as warm air does add bad gas that would make for hard starting.... go buy yourself some starting fluid, thats the never fail scooter starting secret.
oilyhans

Danjak

02-20-2006, 09:20 AM

Is there a manual I can download for what fuses and parts do what? I'd like to learn more about my scooter, especially since my dealership seems rather incompetent. If there's no free resource, I wouldn't mind buying one, though I don't want to give my dealer any more money.

Also, my scooter is still ideling so low that after 30 seconds it will die, no matter how long it's been running. As I've said before, my dealer said this was perfectly normal for the first 500 miles. I therefore thought I'd give it some more time before complaining about it, but it's still doing the same thing (though I'm no where near 500 miles, not even 100). I had previously asked the dealer to do something about it, and he said that TnG doesn't even allow the dealers to adjust the carbeurator until after 500 miles. He just keeps reassuring me it will go away eventually. It's very exasperating, and somewhat dangerous. If I'm at a stoplight, I have to keep revving it, or it will die right in the middle of the street. Once, I couldn't get it started again, and had to push it to the side of the road and whisper sweet nothings in its ear before it would start. :(

So far, problems with my LX include: faulty blinker, idleling too low, no rear running light, and horrible squeak. (squeak and blinker have since been fixed) :angry:

(but to not be a total downer: once it's going, it's fun as all get out. My wife and I fit very comfortably on it and have been really enjoying the convienence of parking practically wherever we want!)

speedy_scooter

02-20-2006, 09:53 AM

I'd say adjust the idle yourself. Just find the long screw sticking out from the carb at about the middle of the carb. Thats your idle screw and just turn it until the motor picks up some but not too much, just enough to prevent dieing out.

sooznd

02-20-2006, 09:57 AM

Danjak

The only service manual TNG mentions on their website is a generic Haynes repair manual for all scooters, which you can order from your dealer or probably buy online somewhere, too. Does not appear they have any model specific service manual. You can download the owners manual from the TNG Scooters website.

Danjak

02-20-2006, 10:21 AM

Thanks y'all. :)

I assume the generic service guide will at least cover the LX since TnG sells it. I guess I should get that first, since I have no idea where the carb is or what the screw I need looks like... lol. I could probably figure it out based on pics in the owner's manual and on this website, but I should still probably get the service guide since the owner's manual doesn't have a heck of a lot to it.

harry

02-20-2006, 02:40 PM

heres a tng tech tip (attached file)
i'll see if i can find the lx spec sheet on line
mine are printed...as far as the manual mentioned
its good for general matinance and how these scoots are put together but there is no tng section per say.
oilyhans

Danjak

02-20-2006, 02:48 PM

Great - thanks, Harry. Looks simple enough to do myself.

One question though: do I need to do anything with the fuel/air mixture as well, or just the idle screw?

harry

02-20-2006, 03:52 PM

Danjak
ok ,i had to scan it & convert to a pdf for you.
also heres a exploded view of the lx motor
with part numbers
hope this helps.
oilyhans

just adjust the idle screw to keep the scoot from stalling

harry

02-20-2006, 04:28 PM

bummer, lost one file while uploading
might of been to big or something
here we go again
oilyhans

Danjak

02-20-2006, 09:16 PM

Awesome - thanks again!

I took my first steps toward better understanding my scooter tonight - I took a bunch of stuff off and then successfully put it back together. :jesta: While doing so, I adjusted the carb screw and it now idle's much, much better. It sounds nowhere near close to dying now. (woo hoo!!) I took it around the block and it even seemed to be zippier, less sluggish. I hope I didn't adjust it too much; the manual said to keep it around 1500 rpm, but there's no rpm guage.

Once I fixed the idle problem, I started feeling pretty confident. I took apart and detached the rear light mechanism since the running light part wasn't working (it would only light when the brakes were engaged). Turns out I had a loose wire in there. I fixed that and secured it better - now I have a working light too. :D Now, however, it's so bright that you can't tell the difference between the normal running light and when I pull the brakes (I think it's supposed to be brighter when the brakes are pulled). For some reason, I think this may have to do with me adjusting the carb too high... like it's getting too much power or something.

And I know, I know... carb and rear light are small things.... but they're big when you've never done anything like this before. Baby steps.... :i

sooznd

02-21-2006, 07:02 AM

Congratulations Danjak:ll for taking those first big steps toward learning to work on your scooter. I am by no means a mechanic, but find I can handle the simple things on a scooter whereas I wouldn't dare touch them on an automobile. I also have learned my local Yamaha shop doesn't know squat about scooters, so why pay them $75 an hour to learn on my precious Vino when I can do that myself.

Our local Honda shop is a different beast--they do know the products they sell & I would trust them with my Met if I needed to.

Hoorah Harry for providing the needed technicel materials for Danjak's TNG Venice. :cup::worship:

harry

02-21-2006, 10:15 AM

when you adjust the idle warm up your scoot for about 10 min.
then adjust the idle. also you don't want the rear wheel to turn
when the scoot is on the center stand if its spinning idles to high.
now look at your scoot by the rear wheel find the fill and drain plugs for the gear oil .... when you reach 300-500km drain the oil yourself, its easy and you will save yourself $$$$$$$
again warm up your scoot then drain the oil.( clean away any dirt
that might fall in the tranny) i use a pump oilcan
it holds about 4 oz's and the flex spout makes it easy to put the oil in the tranny and not all over the case.
brake adjustments are easy, too. in this case just the rear.
doing all these little things help you over the FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN and you will build confidence to tackle some harder things.( the're not really harder just more involved). like a variator
or belt replace or a main spring.

oilyhans