problem, simple, i think... please help!

[devonrs]

so i just put on my stage one kit... did everything correctly, as far as i can tell, started it up, it sounds great, but when i give it gas, the wheel doesnt turn! i opened the crankshaft cover and started it, the belt/variator/clutch assembly all seemed to be spinning just fine but the wheel just isn't goin... must be something simple like some part i didnt put back together correctly, but i have no idea what! if you can help please post or email me or instant message me and let me know, as i need to get this goin asap!
thanks,
devon

devon@hexrecords.com
aim: rocketshipcapn

[XPS1210]

1st you should never post your telephone number on a public forum... Plan on getting harrassing calls...

2nd...

The exhaust should have nothing to do with the wheel spinning so you can rule that out...

the variator, if it were to be running incorrectly the belt and stuff wouldn't move...

my guess is maybe you forgot the clutch shoe?

The piece that the clutch enguages to?

Let us know if that was it... If not, then I'd have to get more info about it to try and figure it out... ;)

[devonrs]

i'm pretty sure it's not that.. that's the piece with the springs on it, right? if so, it's on there... i mean, every piece is on there, the only i can think of is i just put some piece on there incorrectly, but i don't know how... any other suggestions?

[XPS1210]

no the clutch shoe is the piece that the clutch enguages into...

see picture below

part number 7 is the clutch shoe

part number 24 is the clutch...

the clutch should go on first and then the shoe over it... the shoe has teeth on the piece that slides onto the shaft that make the wheel move...

The reason I think it's the shoe missing is that there is no wheel movement but the belt, variator and the rear clutch assembly are all moving... But the wheel is not... My only guess...

[XPS1210]

oh yeah, the image below is for an 04 Vino (non-classic)

[devonrs]

nope, the clutch shoe is definitely on there... but i don't think it's spinning, cause if it was, the wheel would be... the teeth on the clutch shoe are engaging with the shaft, i know, cause if i spin the shoe by hand the wheel turns, so it's whatever makes the clutch shoe spin that's incorrect... any ideas there?

[XPS1210]

did you install springs on the clutch? if so, double check them... make sure you hooked them to the correct places... The springs could be to tight for your set up... also did you use shims on the larger spring that goes between the clutch and the pully face?

might try taking the shims out...

Also make sure the springs are installed correctly...


Other than that... I'm not sure... wait till morning for Kign Vino and he might be able to figure it out...

[devonrs]

i did install springs, the little (green) ones were incredibly tight, it took two of us, all our strength, and a bench vice to get them in, and i didn't install the shims (i'm assuming those are the large spring sized washer-ish loops that were with the variator kit) on the larger spring. there was no mention of them in the howto on this site, and the variator instructions are in spanish... so i just didn't touch them... should i have? and could it somehow be those little springs? it doesn't seem like they could make much of a difference -stop the thing from engaging completely- that is, does it?

[XPS1210]

The springs are to keep the clutch from contacting the shoe till your RPM's are at a desired level...

Some springs are to heavy and others are to light... You could have installed very tight springs and need extremely high RPM's to get it to kick the clutch pads out...

have you tried revving at WOT? Let it run for a second or two...

If that doesn't work, try installing the stock springs back on for testing purposes...

The shims aren't required but might make for a better tune with your application... I don't have them on mine, just because I can't keep them in the right place and they or the spring jumps the guide...

Just a matter of personal tuning with the shims...

[devonrs]

what's WOT? i did rev it a decent amount, not like full throttle or anything, but defintely more than should be required, though i'm not totally sure what should be required with the stage one, as i've never driven a staged one vino before....

[XPS1210]

WOT--- WIDE OPEN THROTTLE....

Give it some gas... All I can say is if the springs were painted green... they could be in need of breaking the paint seal...

My pink ones that I got were painted solid and I had to bend them to break the paint seal... I doubt that they are so strong it would need to be run at WOT to get the disks to open, but you never know... Give it a try and see...

[zumanator]

you might need new spring's?
my kit came with yellow one's, 3-sec at wot just to get moving,
max speed 35 mph because of clutch slip. put stock springs in
and clutch would ingage but slow take off and good top speed!
erik sent new springs :D have not put in yet waiting for other part's

[marylandmark]

WOT-

Wide Open Throttle

[devonrs]

okay, i put the stock springs back on and it worked fine, just as zumanator said, slow take off, good top speed...so i'm guessing my original problem was just that i didn't rev it enough...anyway, i like it, only it sounds awful, like everyone said it would sound, -it sounds like one of those annoying little razor scooters or whatever they are, though it's louder than i thought it would be... any suggestions on a quieter yet just as fast or faster exhaust? i've seen a ton of different pipes for sale all over ebay and other sites, but don't know enough about any of them to choose...

[Davey-boi]

You won't find much difference with other performance pipes. Plus, the tecnigas is the best bargain pipe you can get. You can get quieter pipes, but your performance would drop. What do expect, a tiny 50cc two stroker ain't gonna sound like a 454 big block with flow masters bro.

[devonrs]

okay, so it's the best bargain pipe, but is there a better, non-bargain pipe? i wouldnt mind paying more... i'm just asking if one even exists... like i said before i've seen a lot of pipes on ebay and stuff that look really nice and say things like "tons of extra performance, built in muffler, bla bla bla" but i dont know how muffled and how much performance they get... ??

i think the scooter sounded great stock, but i really need the extra speed...

[XPS1210]

I've got the hand made Leovince ZX pipe... It's chrome and carbon fiber...

I love it, looks awesome and sound great...

Not sure how the power compairs to other pipes...

Also it's not that loud... I rarely hear the exhaust noise... Just the carb sucking air! That's what's loud on my scooter... the intake...

[Davey-boi]

Ok, lemme rephrase then. Every performance pipe you can buy will make your 50cc scoot kinda sound like one of those lil flee-market scoots. Now, you can get alternative pipes built for better sound reduction, but you won't get as great of power as that of the performance pipes. Check out the tecnigas, leovince, and other websites and see the different pipes they have. As for the bargain pipe thing, I was just saying you can shell out 300 bones for an "Italian hand made performance pipe", that works just as good as tecnigas' Spanish hand made pipe which you already have and for 200bucks cheaper.

If you do plan on buying another pipe, make sure it can fit the vino!!! The manufacturer should have it written somewhere. If you see it on ebay, don't trust the seller... research the pipe then bid.

[devonrs]

so you're telling me there's no such thing as a quieter pipe that has the same performance? i don't really understand why... if you put an extra layer of whatever around the pipe to make it quieter, that wouldn't lessen the performance, it'd be a bit bigger, and weight a bit more, but isn't that about it?

[Lennox]

most silencers are simply packed with fiberglass. Add more and you should be quieter.

[mikhail masevich]

If you want quite pipe you should stick with the stock my man. Because the louder it is the more power you have its that simple

[devonrs]

most silencers are simply packed with fiberglass. Add more and you should be quieter.

add more fiberglass? is that what you meant? how do i do that????

[Lennox]

yes add more fiberglass. if you unbolt the back of the silencer and pull it apartm you will see a tube with many holes in it wrapped with f/g. add more, and pack it tighter for a quieter sound.

[Davey-boi]

I dunno how much quieter you can get it though, it's packed from the factroy pretty good already. Hey, worth a try though right!

[devonrs]

has anyone ever tried doing this? and where do you get the fiberglass?

[Davey-boi]

You can get some at any hardware store, but I dunno if you need special automotive fiberglass. Doubt it though.