I installed my new Malossi MultiVar Today

[Aviatrixie]

I wasn't sure what to do with it, really. I'd gotten lots of good info from Jered, Lennox, and especially Pinky. Like many of you I'd bought into the whole Stage One thing.Like many of you I asked a ton of questions before I purchased anything. And like sooooo many of you I had issues with my install.

My observations from hindsight...

The Next R pipe is amazing. All of the power is at the top, but it is good power.

The clutch springs are good. They grab at a good rpm.

The Technomoto variator sucks. It eats belts, it eats rollers, it is totally designed wrong, and mine is going into tomorrw's trash.

Even after a fresh install of 4.6 gm rollers my Vino struggled to hit 15 mph on steep hills with the Technomoto vario. I accelerate to near 50 on those same hills with the MultiVar.

They look the same to me.

I have nothing to gain by endorsing the MultiVar.

It is what it is.

I'm open to comment.

[apexio]

How's your acceleration from 0-10MPH compared to stock?

[Aviatrixie]

Now Acceleration compared to stock is much better. Even Sara, who rode it stock, with the Technomoto, and now the Multivar, says the difference is amazing. The difference is better than I could have hoped for even with a 70cc upgrade.


How's your acceleration from 0-10MPH compared to stock?

[marylandmark]

MultiVar

Is that same or correct name for the Over Range Kit?

[sooznd]

The Technomoto variator sucks. It eats belts, it eats rollers, it is totally designed wrong,
I have nothing to gain by endorsing the MultiVar.
It is what it is.
I'm open to comment.
Erika- From what I have read most people prefer the Malossi for exactly the reasons you specify. Has anyone had any success with technomoto variator?? Would living in a flat area vs hilly or different elevation make a difference? I've also heard of sticking with the stock belt when using technomoto & not using kevlar.

I will store all this good info in my brain for future reference should I decide to install stage 1 ;)

[XPS1210]

Is that same or correct name for the Over Range Kit?

No it's not the over range kit...

you can get the "malossi multivar" which is a variator replacement like the technomoto one... cost is about $100 or so, I think just a hair less... but IMO is a 100% better then the technomoto for $80...

obviously Avia agrees as she seams to like the malossi part better...

[marylandmark]

That is what I was thinking, but didn't it would make THAT much of a difference- apparently it does which is GREAT. Erich should drop the Techmo....

[XPS1210]

the US suppliers all push the technomoto...

and unfortunately if he doesn't use it himself and have problems... then he really wouldn't know...

I know lennox and I have both had "replacements, since they failed after short use"

[apexio]

Where did you get your Malossi Variator?

[XPS1210]

www.provoscooter.com

she ordered it from erich at our sales page... after she ordered her stage 1 kit with the technomoto variator in it to begin with...

[apexio]

Jered,

I don't see it at www.provoscooter.com under Vino parts.

[XPS1210]

it's not... you will need to contact erich the owner and special order it...

In the parts review area of these forums. I have a thread that states any part on www.malossi.com can be ordered by erich...

Check out malossi's catalog under the vino and then call or email erich the part numbers and ask for a quote on them...

sorry I didn't explain that further in this thread... oops... I forget I've been around to long... and you new guys have a HUGE amount of back posts to look at for that info...

Jered

[apexio]

Yea, I've read your previous posts that talked about custom ordering through Erich. But in your previous post you said 'she ordered it from our sales page'. That sounded to me like it was on the website? Anyhow, thanks for the info.

[XPS1210]

51 7075 VARIATOR MULTIVAR for SCOOTER
http://www.malossi.com/img_prodotti/51%207075/51%207075.jpg


VARIATOR MULTIVAR for SCOOTER
code = 51 7075



Multivar is very easy to fit and to modify.
It is developed in detail and for specific applications.
With a variator that features such sophistication, your scooter has that extra sprint, a consistency in shifting, a greater mechanical ease at high speeds and a constancy in performance you've never experienced before with the original variator.
This is what the Malossi technicians wanted to obtain.

[XPS1210]

liek I said... that was my mistake for not clarifying that...

[hungff77]

I just found out the technomoto use very light rollers, I try 5g and 4g and it makes a huge difference. When I use 5g, with the techno torque spring, it suffer on hills, but when I use 4g, with the same set up, my zuma flyies. And from other people, they said the mulitvar likes heavier rollers, may be that is the different.

Also for the Nex-R pipe, I find it requires the engine to engage into a higher rev inorder to get to the power band. I will suggest get a delta/polini2g clutch and set it to engage in a "unbelievable" high rev, then you will not suffer from 0-10mph. but over all, the Next-R has very serious top end.

Frankie/2003 Zuma
Athena 50cc, next-R pipe, Technomoto Vario, 4g, Vario torque spring, Delta clutch, still waiting for some stiffer delta clutch spring...

[Aviatrixie]

Hiya Sooz!

I researched here, in several forums on Yahoo, and on the International Scooterist BBS. Every forum had people that had problems with the Technomoto and every forum had people that praised the Malossi vario. I really wanted to give the Technomoto a fair chance and continued to ride using it, even though I had my new MultiVar in hand. I simply stopped at the shop yesterday to have a look at my belt and rollers as it had been 200 miles since I installed a fresh set of 4.6 gram Malossi and wanted to see how things looked as riding season gets into high gear here. Neither Steve nor I expected to see what we saw. My new rollers were totally trashed. One was so mangled it looked as if it had been crushed in a vise. Out of 6 rollers only one was essentially in good shape. Now... these weren't the silly 3 piece rollers that came with the Technomoto VarioPlus, but one piece Malossi rollers, the cream of the crop. I know that a new vario will tend to chew up rollers until it get's "polished" in... but this was rediculous. And in only 200 miles!

I sensed that my Vino's performance was slowly deteriorating very shortly after the new rollers and belt were swapped in, but it all happens so gradually I couldn't be sure. But yes... the performance was going downhill the entire 200 miles.

So I decided to install the Malossi vario on the spot. One thing I will give the Technomoto variator... it does produce a slightly higher top speed. On level ground with the 4.6 gm rollers I could put the speedo needle in the turn signal indicator, but with the Malossi I can only get it to slightly past the high beam indicator. Sara was on her Yamaha 650 Maxim yesterday and said I was consistantly hitting 52 mph on level ground. But oh my... tha acceleration and hill climbing ability is light years ahead of the Technomoto. And even more important, after a 50 mile ride yesterday my Vino performed just as well as it did right after the install. My Technomoto vario NEVER did that!

My Vino will be ridden a lot this season. I will keep you all informed about how she does.

We stopped at Jose' and Tony's for some Tex-Mex during our ride. My son met up with us there on his way home from work. I have some pictures of us there and will post one later tonight. You can see my "new" Stage One Vino enjoying life again!


Erika- From what I have read most people prefer the Malossi for exactly the reasons you specify. Has anyone had any success with technomoto variator?? Would living in a flat area vs hilly or different elevation make a difference? I've also heard of sticking with the stock belt when using technomoto & not using kevlar.

I will store all this good info in my brain for future reference should I decide to install stage 1 ;)

[Aviatrixie]

I got out for a nice ride late this afternoon. It was 79 degrees... I didn't even need a jacket... just wore a tee. Out of curiosity I rode the length of Neville Island and returned on Rte. 51 to Coraopolis, a road with some good hills. I did that route last week and found my speed dropped to 23 mph on a couple of the hills. I had to ride on the edge of the road to let cars pass me up the hills. Today I easily held 40 mph and wasn't even WOT up the same hills. I was just fitting in with traffic. I am so pleased!

Anyway, here's a pic of me on my Vino yesterday parked in front of Jose' and Tony's restaurant in the South Hills area of Pittsburgh. I have a very happy Vino now! :D

[BEAKER]

Hey Aviatrixie,

How much was your Malossi Multivar kit?
Did it also wear in your belt and rollers, is poloshing required?

I will try to exchange my Technimoto fot the Malossi...if Provo will allow me to, I have yet ride my scooter with my new stage two upgrade...waitning for a part.

[Aviatrixie]

Hi Beaker :)

My Multivar was $99 from Provo. It was a few dollars more than another place I saw it but I didn't argue the price, as I've gotten great service from Provo in the past and my MultiVar purchase was handled equally well.

As my Multivar was just installed a couple days ago it's still being broken in. When I say "polish", I'm simply referring to the polishing action that the belt and rollers have on the metal surfaces that they ride on. Those surfaces tend to get "polished" by that interaction. That is part of the "breaking in" process of the new variator and because of that fact belts and rollers will wear much faster than normal initially. There is no need to actually polish the part as it will take care of itself. I would simply have a spare set or two of new rollers and a new belt laying around for the first few hundred miles. Also open up your transmission and inspect belt and roller integrity from time to time during break-in.

I've been told that the ideal roller weight in the MultiVar for a stage one is 5.0 to 5.5 grams. That number is different for a stage two. I don't know it off hand but will find out and post it here later. I'm using 5.1 gram Malossi rollers right now and they seem to be working perfectly with no bog, smooth up and down shifts, and amazing "torque". The stage two also needs a different torque spring than the white one supplied with the MultiVar. I think I have that info somewhere and will pass that along as well.




Hey Aviatrixie,

How much was your Malossi Multivar kit?
Did it also wear in your belt and rollers, is poloshing required?

I will try to exchange my Technimoto fot the Malossi...if Provo will allow me to, I have yet ride my scooter with my new stage two upgrade...waitning for a part.

[BEAKER]

Thanks...the info on the roller wights for stage 2 will be very helpful.

I will try to return if got the Malossi Variator.

I remember you posted an article on expansion chambers. Very interesting.
You think you could do one on the centrifugal clutch and torque spring assembly...still don't undestand when the torque spring is effective.

[Aviatrixie]

Thank you for the compliments :)

I've been planning an article on variator theory. Sure, I'd be glad to do one on the clutch and torque pulley assembly as well. Actually, since they all work together I'll probably just incorporate them into the same article. As soon as I have all my facts sorted out I will do that.

I'll try to get you the stats for stage two rollers and torque spring later today.


Thanks...the info on the roller wights for stage 2 will be very helpful.

I will try to return if got the Malossi Variator.

I remember you posted an article on expansion chambers. Very interesting.
You think you could do one on the centrifugal clutch and torque spring assembly...still don't undestand when the torque spring is effective.

[BEAKER]

Spoke with Erich and I'm exchanging my Malossi Carb for the Arreche (manifold issues) and Tecnomoto for that of the Malossi Multivar (+$10 upgrade) + rollers...he suggested 4.5 g for me 185lbs and stage two.

Once I'm riding (week or two) ((hopefully)) I'll write a very desciptive review.

At one point I was thinking of creating a database two help us tune and compare results for optimization. It will include scooter type, stage set-up, exhausts, roller-weights, rider weights, top speeds, etc...

It will be easier to access all this data at once, instead of searching through previous threads.

[Aviatrixie]

That's great that you were able to work everything out with Erich. My experience has been that he will work to keep a customer happy.

I do know you'll be very happy with the Malossi vario. I love mine and people I truly trust have told me it is the best variator made, bar none.

If Erich recommends 4.5 gm rollers I'm sure that's a good target figure. You'll still want to fine tune the weights, but you need someplace to start. I've made several posts addressing how to tune your roller weights.

Don't forget, you will want a different torque spring from the white one supplied in the MultiVar kit. I'll get back with that one.


Spoke with Erich and I'm exchanging my Malossi Carb for the Arreche (manifold issues) and Tecnomoto for that of the Malossi Multivar (+$10 upgrade) + rollers...he suggested 4.5 g for me 185lbs and stage two.

Once I'm riding (week or two) ((hopefully)) I'll write a very desciptive review.

At one point I was thinking of creating a database two help us tune and compare results for optimization. It will include scooter type, stage set-up, exhausts, roller-weights, rider weights, top speeds, etc...

It will be easier to access all this data at once, instead of searching through previous threads.

[BEAKER]

Why isn't the white one good enough?

I should tell Erich ASAP...or shouldn't he know better and send me a stiffer one? Which colour do I need?

[XPS1210]

LIKE I SAID... .the parts that come in "KITS" are a general/generic set up....

To fine tune is your responsibility...

It's like working on a car... just cause it comes in a kit doens't always mean it's the best part for the job... there is still fine tuning...

That's your resposibilty as the tuner... to get the perfect parts...

Meaning... You get rollers, springs and weights... They are a combo that will work for your set up... however to make it perfect and perform at 100% it's best... then you might need to order a different spring or roller combo...

Not erich's fault... just the nature of tuning engines... PERIOD...

make since...

[Aviatrixie]

Jered is right about that. The kit comes with the white spring and it will work fine to start. You may find you're getting perfectly satisfactory performance using the 4.5 gram rollers and the white spring. If you decide to start tuning your rollers weights to find a perfect set-up then you may need a stiffer spring to keep everything in balance. Remember, it's the roller weight PLUS the torque spring that determine the rpm at which upshift begins, and the optimum upshift point is that which just closes the vario pulley completely just as your engine reaches it's maximum possible RPM. In general, the heavier the rollers the stiffer the torque spring needs to be.

Go ahead and start with the white spring and 4.5 gram rollers, figure out where your shift is happening, and go from there.

Do order extra 4.5 gram rollers asap though. Your first set will wear out fast and you'll be stuck if you don't have spares.


LIKE I SAID... .the parts that come in "KITS" are a general/generic set up....

To fine tune is your responsibility...

It's like working on a car... just cause it comes in a kit doens't always mean it's the best part for the job... there is still fine tuning...

That's your resposibilty as the tuner... to get the perfect parts...

Meaning... You get rollers, springs and weights... They are a combo that will work for your set up... however to make it perfect and perform at 100% it's best... then you might need to order a different spring or roller combo...

Not erich's fault... just the nature of tuning engines... PERIOD...

make since...

[BEAKER]

Does anyone know the colour code of the Malossi torque springs for the Vinos?

[Aviatrixie]

Malossi's website, www.malossi.com is very complete. I'm sure you could find the colorcoding there.

Does anyone know the colour code of the Malossi torque springs for the Vinos?