1999 Honda Elite Sr(yes)

[wideopen01]

::handleba Finally got a scooter....I bought a purple 1999 Honda Elite SR..It looks prettty good...im so happy that i got it ive been waiting so long for another scooter,because i wrecked my DIENTO one..I want sure what the diffrence is between the S and the SR but when i called the honda delearship they said that the SR comes deristricted...and it was FAST in the take off..i mean it toped out at 40 but the thing is ive NEVER ever been on a scooter that you hit the gas on a little pipe of dirt and it peels out...i mean ive tried it on my dio motor befor,smokins vento,shyandamans R4i..somthing weird...Ryda do you happen to know you seem to know alot about hondas...Cant wait to hook it up for the va race LOL...the thing is if this thing is going this fast WITH A 50cc what will it do with a 70 and all the performance parts im geting...flip???lol...im going to take pics later on today...i had to go to shyandamans house to try to see whats wrong with his triton...he has the 70cc,19mm carb,technagas pipe, but the thing is it like starts up..goes..then like sputters and sputters and doesnt pass 20 miles per hour...he thinks its his 70cc kit...any suggestions... mean that kits is not gonna be their for too long he is getting another one because he knows that the arisal wont keep up with no EVO...if anyone knows post up some suggestions please

[wideopen01]

Here is a pic or two of the new elite sr that i got... ::handleba as soon as i go to the doctor for a mri and he tells me that my head is good...im hoping on my scoot and riding out...i should have all my parts by then...

[scooterconvert]

way to go that's pretty cool-congrats! I hope your head checks out. :yippy:

[shayandaman]

Yea..........my triton seems to be puttering like its running rich or something. I was running a 95 on it then down to a 85 and its still doing it........I havent opend it up yet but if anyone has had this problem before please lemme know. So I can go straight to the problem instead of examining the whole engine, it will be a whole lot faster and easier. Also, I dont think its compression loss because it sometimes runs strong when its not puttering. ITs not weak or sluggish, I can hit about 40 on it but its really hard and sometimes it seems to bogg out then it backfires.



Anyone?? :---

[veedubh20]

there are many parts for honda Elite S/SR . go to DO NOT POST EXTERNAL LINKS!, it located on honolulu, Hawaii. Hawaii builds fast honda moped. Im sure there is someone here, name is rc51 daytona screen name. Just check it out! :yippy: Have fun your new rides :D honda elite (Dio motor) My moped goes 70 mph++++.

[Lets Ride Out]

Here is a pic or two of the new elite sr that i got... ::handleba as soon as i go to the doctor for a mri and he tells me that my head is good...im hoping on my scoot and riding out...i should have all my parts by then...
Hey wide open nice scooter man I cant wait to see how fast it goes Do you think you will be fast enough to win the VA Race?

[Lets Ride Out]

Yea..........my triton seems to be puttering like its running rich or something. I was running a 95 on it then down to a 85 and its still doing it........I havent opend it up yet but if anyone has had this problem before please lemme know. So I can go straight to the problem instead of examining the whole engine, it will be a whole lot faster and easier. Also, I dont think its compression loss because it sometimes runs strong when its not puttering. ITs not weak or sluggish, I can hit about 40 on it but its really hard and sometimes it seems to bogg out then it backfires.



Anyone?? :---I'm a moron! and got banned just like Shay got banned... and wideopen01, smokin, and all of my other friends!

[smokin]

To lets ride out.

Maybe wide will be the fastest in the va race. I don't really care to race I just like to go fast but not to say I wouldn't race.:naught: Lets not get off topic and talk about the new elite Wide has.It is pretty nice I like the purple paint, powdercoated purple rims would go with that pretty good,it would look... shalick. :smokin:

[wideopen01]

To lets ride out.

I hope wide is the fastest in the va race. I don't really want to race I just like to go fast but lets not get off topic and talk about the new elite wide has.It is pretty nice I like the purple paint,powdercoated purple rims would look tight. :worship:


Well i dont know what to tell you letsrideout...that shouldent be that hard now....no compeating with evo...only shyandaman...i got my stock motor off...going to install the honda dio and gonna install the 72cc polini corsa on and go from their...

comin down for the crown ::handleba

[florida derbi rocket]

you guys should do a few different types of races...Like..1/8 mile..drag.......1/4 mile drag...Top speed over a mile....uh....500 foot Acceleration WOT drag..Remember...Its not always about the parts..its what you can do with them...Keep tweakin and tuning to tha max!!!............................oops..I got off thread...Wide open..You Know that Honda looks Crisp...Purple looks Killer..Your head will MRI OK..Please Strap your helmet..Hospitals Suck..... :D :race: ...John

[wideopen01]

you guys should do a few different types of races...Like..1/8 mile..drag.......1/4 mile drag...Top speed over a mile....uh....500 foot Acceleration WOT drag..Remember...Its not always about the parts..its what you can do with them...Keep tweakin and tuning to tha max!!!............................oops..I got off thread...Wide open..You Know that Honda looks Crisp...Purple looks Killer..Your head will MRI OK..Please Strap your helmet..Hospitals Suck..... :D :race: ...John


LOL i know we should do like all kinds of races like you said...but the competiton is gone...smokin says he doesnt want to race he only wants to go fast and ride around...i know man the hospital sucks...i was so bored...and got so so weak...but im back to normal...im going for an MRI in about 2weeks and i hope the blot clot is gone,and the crack is healing fast...because the day the doctor says that to me im hoping right on my scooter and going to rideout all day WIDEOPEN...lol maybe not wideopen but the thing i like is to get the speed limit FAST VERY VERY FAST..i dont realy like top speed that much...

[wideopen01]

LOL i know we should do like all kinds of races like you said...but the competiton is gone...smokin says he doesnt want to race he only wants to go fast and ride around...i know man the hospital sucks...i was so bored...and got so so weak...but im back to normal...im going for an MRI in about 2weeks and i hope the blot clot is gone,and the crack is healing fast...because the day the doctor says that to me im hoping right on my scooter and going to rideout all day WIDEOPEN...lol maybe not wideopen but the thing i like is to get the speed limit FAST VERY VERY FAST..i dont realy like top speed that much...


Got the scooter put together...i sold my stock motor that came with the scooter and put a 2000 honda dio motor...i got a malossi cylinder with a malossi variator,mallosi belt,30mm OKO carb,matching manifold,polini reeds,performance gears,and getting a phonger pipe...will take some pics tommorow...i took it for a test drive today...and this one is FAST,

[wideopen01]

Got the scooter put together...i sold my stock motor that came with the scooter and put a 2000 honda dio motor...i got a malossi cylinder with a malossi variator,mallosi belt,30mm OKO carb,matching manifold,polini reeds,performance gears,and getting a phonger pipe...will take some pics tommorow...i took it for a test drive today...and this one is FAST,

I got my bike built up...very fast..going to get a pipe asap..have a stock pipe and going 55...

[veedubh20]

Just add japan rear tail light ;)

[XPS1210]

love it... the damn scooter is in the kitchen... LOL!

You guys never stop making laugh...

My scooter has seen my garage... and that's it... I also can say it will NEVER go past the garage...

[wideopen01]

love it... the damn scooter is in the kitchen... LOL!

You guys never stop making laugh...

My scooter has seen my garage... and that's it... I also can say it will NEVER go past the garage...

lol im moving next month to a house that has a garage....but where do you get the japan tale ligt from???

[B Ryce]

where are you moving to

[wideopen01]

where are you moving to


centerville...by sully plaza...cant wait to get my pipe put on...want to know the top speed.

[wideopen01]

centerville...by sully plaza...cant wait to get my pipe put on...want to know the top speed.


I just put my aftermarket pg pipe today...and im having a little trouble tuning it...i hit the gas it goes to 15 then TAKES OFF REALY REALY hard..then top speed it goes like 55-60 and their is like a sound like their is a restrictor on it...so cantdrive game me and idea and told me to make mark from the top of my vair to the bottom and ride and see how high the belt rises...so i did and i have like a half an inch left that the belt doesnt rise up...what should i do about that??heavyer rollers or ligher??i have 4,5,4,5,4,5 rollers in right now..pg pipe long pipe is supposed to be for top speed.. i mean i had 10 gram rollers in with my stock pipe and my max speed was better???any ideas??

[XPS1210]

try running with all 5's and see what that does for you...

the problem with aftermarket pipes compaired to stock ones is that the stock pipe is not a "power producing pipe" hence the slow downs on hills and such... but since they don't get the engine in the power band as well as the after market ones, they can use higher rollers...

You can't put those heavy 10G's back in but I could see you getting a 5 or 6 gram in there...

[wideopen01]

try running with all 5's and see what that does for you...

the problem with aftermarket pipes compaired to stock ones is that the stock pipe is not a "power producing pipe" hence the slow downs on hills and such... but since they don't get the engine in the power band as well as the after market ones, they can use higher rollers...

You can't put those heavy 10G's back in but I could see you getting a 5 or 6 gram in there...


woo you responded quick thanks...see well the thing is i tried the 10 gram rollers and :confused: it was like so so so slow and toped out at like 35...it confusing..i mean the stock pipe has a small header the performance one is MADE for top speed...and i dont understand how the stock one with the 10 grams didnt do that..i mean the acceleration was no where near the acceleration with the pg pipe but 1st of all it didnt go slow to 15 then TAKE OFF i mean it takes off so hard i have to lean forward i was scared the first time..2 it didnt sound like their was a ristricter at high end...and ohh yea do you think i should put the aftermarket cdi jered??

[XPS1210]

because the performance pipe is made to get the rpm's up before it takes off where the stock one just kinda happens...

Not sure what your restrictor would be... more than likely simply just the engine can't push the scooter any faster... that's what I'm at I think... I need taller gears for more top end...

I'd try using all the 5 grams and see what happens...

have you changed the torque spring?

The way a piped engine is supposed to work is that the RPM's get higher before the scooter moves, then it takes off in the power band... so if you have the torque spring and clutch springs all stock, it's not gonna matter what the rollers are, you are gonna get rolling before your power band hits and then you take off once you hit the power band... or your case 15mph...

make since?

you might need a stronger torque spring if you have already upgraded and also need to look at your clutch settings... they should be as tight as you can get them for the most part... then it'll take off at a higher RPM... but it's more jerky when your running lower speeds...

[wideopen01]

because the performance pipe is made to get the rpm's up before it takes off where the stock one just kinda happens...

Not sure what your restrictor would be... more than likely simply just the engine can't push the scooter any faster... that's what I'm at I think... I need taller gears for more top end...

I'd try using all the 5 grams and see what happens...

have you changed the torque spring?

The way a piped engine is supposed to work is that the RPM's get higher before the scooter moves, then it takes off in the power band... so if you have the torque spring and clutch springs all stock, it's not gonna matter what the rollers are, you are gonna get rolling before your power band hits and then you take off once you hit the power band... or your case 15mph...

make since?

you might need a stronger torque spring if you have already upgraded and also need to look at your clutch settings... they should be as tight as you can get them for the most part... then it'll take off at a higher RPM... but it's more jerky when your running lower speeds...


Maybe thats the problem i have stock springs..i mean i have upgraded my torque spring but ther than that i will try the 5 gram rollers and see what it does...the thing is i only have 3 3gram 3 4gram 3 5gram 3 6 gram 3 7 gram and 3 8gram....what should i do i was thinkin 565656...carb....i have a oko30mm carb do you think i need to jet it down..i mean its a 70 thoes carbs are made for strokers and what not..hey by the way thanks jered ur a cool guy you always help people out i realy appriciate that...

[veedubh20]

hey,
the pg pipe those are good pipe You will need to go 1500rpm spring and 1500 clutch shoe spring, what kind of pulley are you running? what is the gears are you running now? did you break in the new bore properly? how much do youbody weigh? what is your premix ratio? The oko 30mm carb what are the jet sizes?(main and pilot) .

[wideopen01]

hey,
the pg pipe those are good pipe You will need to go 1500rpm spring and 1500 clutch shoe spring, what kind of pulley are you running? what is the gears are you running now? did you break in the new bore properly? how much do youbody weigh? what is your premix ratio? The oko 30mm carb what are the jet sizes?(main and pilot) .


I have 1500 yellow tourque spring..and im not sure about the shoe springs, i have a stock pully i have 7:1 gears and the mallosi bore was brokin in right...i weigh 160 and i have stock jets in the 30mm oko,and i have polini reeds,i ran 565656 rollers today....and it was alot better but still kinda is slow till like 10 now..it used to go slow and at 15 takes off so much that i had to lean over for it to work..i run 50:1 but how many ounces do i put in my honda elite SR tank if its emty....

[florida derbi rocket]

Man wide open..that sure is a Big carb for a 70cc kit..you havent tried to Jet down??...A German site says that a 21mm will bog when going slow..they recomend a 19mm for Traffic..a 30mm might only be good for ALL WOT...ALL THE TIME...Like FULL RACE!!..Might have to down jet for commuting..My 2 cents anyway.. ;) ::handleba John

[wideopen01]

Man wide open..that sure is a Big carb for a 70cc kit..you havent tried to Jet down??...A German site says that a 21mm will bog when going slow..they recomend a 19mm for Traffic..a 30mm might only be good for ALL WOT...ALL THE TIME...Like FULL RACE!!..Might have to down jet for commuting..My 2 cents anyway.. ;) ::handleba John


Im pretty sure most people that have upgraded their hondas have either 28 or 30mm carb...but not sure tough..i responded to what you asked veedubh20
tell me what you think.......

[smokin]

Man wide open..that sure is a Big carb for a 70cc kit..you havent tried to Jet down??...A German site says that a 21mm will bog when going slow..they recomend a 19mm for Traffic..a 30mm might only be good for ALL WOT...ALL THE TIME...Like FULL RACE!!..Might have to down jet for commuting..My 2 cents anyway.. ;) ::handleba John

He plans on racing with his bike.

[florida derbi rocket]

So..Your still running with the Yellow spring? ..not the RED spring?..did you take it apart again and check to see what your clutch is doing?..(Spinning..excess dust..Exetra)..is your belt doing OK? ..Just curious.. ;)

[wideopen01]

He plans on racing with his bike.


You are mistaking smokin...i am not gonna go out lookin to race you monkeys..when someone comes down to me and askes me to race..im gonna race...i got some other rollers put in...shayandaman hooked me up with some free clutch springs and its alot better...still further tunning to do..need a throttle cable...stock one is too short for 30mm,it only goes 65% throttle no airfilter...but its running pretty good now i just want to know what other people think i should do to make my scooter perform better

[veedubh20]

I have 1500 yellow tourque spring..and im not sure about the shoe springs try go 1500 rpm( does it grab early to engauge?), i have a stock pully i have 7:1 gears and the mallosi bore was brokin in right...i weigh 160 and i have stock jets in the 30mm oko,and i have polini reeds,i ran 565656 rollers today....and it was alot better but still kinda is slow till like 10 now..it used to go slow and at 15 takes off so much that i had to lean over for it to work..i run 50:1 but how many ounces do i put in my honda elite SR tank if its emty....
what kind of intake manifold? double reed chrome CT manifold or black intake mainfold :confused: ? can you send me pic of your bike? intake or part that was add into, You cant used stock pulley ,need better pulley (Hint all pulleys has different in gram weighs without roller weights add in it) after 50:1 ratio , go 32:1, oko carb 30mm need tune differ jets. transfer 565656 to better high speed pulley.( not stock pulley) what kind spark plug? ngk b8hs :confused: ?

[wideopen01]

what kind of intake manifold? double reed chrome CT manifold or black intake mainfold :confused: ? can you send me pic of your bike? intake or part that was add into, You cant used stock pulley ,need better pulley (Hint all pulleys has different in gram weighs without roller weights add in it) after 50:1 ratio , go 32:1, oko carb 30mm need tune differ jets. transfer 565656 to better high speed pulley.( not stock pulley) what kind spark plug? ngk b8hs :confused: ?


I have the chrome CT manifold,I have a upgraded mallosi variator,and do i need to run 32:1???is that what your saying....how many ounces in my tank do i put?? im using bp6hs.....

[wideopen01]

I have the chrome CT manifold,I have a upgraded mallosi variator,and do i need to run 32:1???is that what your saying....how many ounces in my tank do i put?? im using bp6hs.....


i tried to put the stock springs back in today and test it out..it realy didnt do that much..the main thing that was wrong with my scoot is the rollers..but their seems to be a problem...at top speed it like tops out at like im gonna say 60 and then it sounds like their is a restricter stoping the motor from reving up higher...im going to change the spark plug today...i also found out that i should put like 2.5 ounces of oil in my gas tank because the gas tanks is 1.2 gallons and 50:1 ratio is 2 per gallon..the .5 is extra...i always like to run the bike allitle rich...always better to run rich than lean..its not gonna hurt it if i run it allitle rich,it will hurt if i run it lean...

[veedubh20]

32:1 2oz to (.500) half gallon of gas. Here, most most rider seize there bore 50:1 ratio. it is safe to runs 32:1. Check my forum post , I didnt have trouble running 32:1 ratio, it still running strong 6,000 miles polini bore on it and use ngk b8hs. oko carb air/fuel screw close in and back off 1 1/2 turn ( 3 times out). Add new plug ngk b8hs. start the motor, and ride the moped open full throttle gas ( about 5-8 secs) on open road. hold the gas throttle on and shut the motor off (Kill switch) . place moped on stand, remove spark plug , check the color condition, it should be golden brown, if not need to rejets the carb, white plug burning , go to next size little bigger pliot jets. from that on, repeat the runs again, check plug again. this will help tuning the motor.
here is the 32:1 premix ratio.

look at the gas pump reading gallon .500 = 2oz oil
.562 = 2 1/4 oz
.625 = 2 1/2 oz
.750 = 3oz.

[cant drive 55]

I am a friend of wideopen's and we're trying to tune his oko today. for some reason it only likes to run and idle when the mixture screw is all the way in. we tried to turn it out 1.5 turns and it seemed to idle high. should we go for a higher pilot jet? it is a stock 30mm oko main jet and the pilot is 34.

[XPS1210]

it cause the 30mm carb is HUGE and should be for 100cc or bigger engines...

you need to lean it to nothing to make it run above idle... that's my opinion anyway...

30mm carb is TO BIG for a 70cc engine...

I have a 24mm and it works great... however I think pinky says he can't roll the throttle to fast of it'll bog...

[florida derbi rocket]

I had a Thread on this...I cant understand Why people are Buying such Big Carbs..These Arent Musclecars..Save Your Money and jet up a smaller carb..John

[wideopen01]

I had a Thread on this...I cant understand Why people are Buying such Big Carbs..These Arent Musclecars..Save Your Money and jet up a smaller carb..John


I dont know what to tell you...almost every single that i have taked to in hawaii that has a 70 has etheir a 28 or 30mm carb...i have been told that hondas work better with bigger carbs...it has worked befor...befor i had the 90cc on the s motor i had this same malossi kit and it was working fine...

[XPS1210]

yeah.. as you said a 90cc kit... with a 30mm carb...

not a 70cc with a 30mm carb...

IMO they are just to big...

[wideopen01]

yeah.. as you said a 90cc kit... with a 30mm carb...

not a 70cc with a 30mm carb...

IMO they are just to big...


Sorry i ment to say...befor the 90cc i had the same kit malossi 70cc with the same carb that i have now...

[veedubh20]

I am a friend of wideopen's and we're trying to tune his oko today. for some reason it only likes to run and idle when the mixture screw is all the way in. we tried to turn it out 1.5 turns and it seemed to idle high. should we go for a higher pilot jet? it is a stock 30mm oko main jet and the pilot is 34. there is a big screw on carb that the idle , turn it down. 1st) adjust both cable gas and a screw on top carb ( that where a gas cable goes through in it)., it should a some little slack not much. do cable adjustment first.

[veedubh20]

I had a Thread on this...I cant understand Why people are Buying such Big Carbs..These Arent Musclecars..Save Your Money and jet up a smaller carb..John Here in hawaii runs big carbs 28mm,30mm,32mm. ::handleba o_o it really depend how you tune. we race anywhere anytime o_o on the long strech road adn hairpin turns.

[wideopen01]

Here in hawaii runs big carbs 28mm,30mm,32mm. ::handleba o_o it really depend how you tune. we race anywhere anytime o_o on the long strech road adn hairpin turns.


the thing is...when i turn in the air screw it idels fine...so that means it is runing lean because it only works when i cut down on the air..so dont you think if i go up on the pilot jet..it will work good..i mean its stock jets...and i heard that the pilot is 34..and thats too small right?? what size jets do you use for the 30mm..main?? pilot??

[911elite]

don't sound like to bad of a set up. The only thing with the bigger carbs like 30mm+ you will not have as good take off as you would with a 24mm.

I'm running a 28mm OKO and boost bottle, and the boost bottle seems to help it's take off alot.

[wideopen01]

don't sound like to bad of a set up. The only thing with the bigger carbs like 30mm+ you will not have as good take off as you would with a 24mm.

I'm running a 28mm OKO and boost bottle, and the boost bottle seems to help it's take off alot.


you are running a 24mm??how...dont u think thats tooo small....

[XPS1210]

How could you possibly think that a 24mm is to small on a 70cc kit? or even an 80cc kit...

I think a 30mm is to big for them... your dumping to much fuel into the cylinder IMO and have to lean the heck out of the carb...

Just my opinions but... you know...

[911elite]

oops i need to clear that up im running a 28mm. for a 85cc+ cylinder kit it is good but anything smaller you loose take off power.

[wideopen01]

oops i need to clear that up im running a 28mm. for a 85cc+ cylinder kit it is good but anything smaller you loose take off power.


Thats what im trying to say....HONDA IS DIFFRENT THAN MINERALLI hondas like big carbs,mineralli likes small carbs...ive never heard of ANYONE runing smaller than a 28mm carb on a 70cc or higher bore on a honda....

[911elite]

24mm will give you better take off but with stroker motors 28+ is the best.

some guy for Il is running a 38mm carb. but his Dio ZX is a tank with speed, tops out at 102mph and has every thing but n2o on it.

[wideopen01]

24mm will give you better take off but with stroker motors 28+ is the best.

some guy for Il is running a 38mm carb. but his Dio ZX is a tank with speed, tops out at 102mph and has every thing but n2o on it.


Has anyone heard of a watercooled bore for a honda eliteS/Dio motor...ive never tried a watercooled bore i think that it will be pretty cool...cant wait to see smokin's watercooled stroker... :naught:

[911elite]

ill have the site here in a bit they are uupdating it.

[911elite]

found it and got the new one http://www3.telus.net/dougsimpson/Xtreme1.html

[wideopen01]

found it and got the new one http://www3.telus.net/dougsimpson/Xtreme1.html


I am fimiliar with that site...the thing is ive heard that site is a little pricy...

[911elite]

not really H2o kits are alot were ever you go. they are a bit stuck up but they sell everything you need to put the H2o on.