Vino - Upgear Kit

[BEAKER]

Can You Guys Give Me The Complete 411 On The Upgear Kit For The Vino...

I Know, I Know...it Might Be In Previous Posts...but Most Recent Experience Would Be Appreciated...

Pros & Cons...etc...

Thanks

I'm Not Yelling...caps Lock Is Broken On My Keyboard.

Please Senf Info For Installing Too (i'm Yelling Now)

[Aviatrixie]

Hello Beaker,

I've not installed an upgear as my Vino is only a Stage One at the present time. Others here that have installed an upgear can give you the skinny on it.

I can tell you that if your Vino is stock an upgear is inappropriate, as the stock engine does not produce enough power to realize any benefit from it. You might get away with it and possibly see an increase in top speed, but acceleration would undoubtedly suffer and hill-climbing ability would disappear. The common concensus is that an upgear is only appropriate with a Stage Two or higher upgrade.

That said, Provo sells the upgear for $99 and I'm told it takes a special press to install, so you will need to take it to the shop to have that done unless you happen to have access to one of those presses.

Can You Guys Give Me The Complete 411 On The Upgear Kit For The Vino...

I Know, I Know...it Might Be In Previous Posts...but Most Recent Experience Would Be Appreciated...

Pros & Cons...etc...

Thanks

I'm Not Yelling...caps Lock Is Broken On My Keyboard.

Please Senf Info For Installing Too (i'm Yelling Now)

[BEAKER]

Thanks for the response...been searching the forum high and low for stage 2 details...not much vino feedback however.

I should be getting my Stage 2 Performance kit anyday now.

Having the mechanic do the install.

Which components should he/she install first. 70cc then carb then variator then pipe...seems most logical?

Also, if they're installing new variator, do I need to tell the mechanic to de-restrict the stock variator...seems redundant? I just don't want them the add the washer/restrictor to the new variator...or is that even possible.

[shayandaman]

Thanks for the response...been searching the forum high and low for stage 2 details...not much vino feedback however.

I should be getting my Stage 2 Performance kit anyday now.

Having the mechanic do the install.

Which components should he/she install first. 70cc then carb then variator then pipe...seems most logical?

Also, if they're installing new variator, do I need to tell the mechanic to de-restrict the stock variator...seems redundant? I just don't want them the add the washer/restrictor to the new variator...or is that even possible.

I think the most logical way is to install the cylinder, exhaust, carb, then the variator..............The only thing you have to install first is the cylinder THEN the exhaust as thats common sense, the rest doesn't really matter.

[Aviatrixie]

Your new variator won't come with the restricting washer. (Mine didn't). Anyway, if it does just don't install the washer.

The vario kit will come with 3 large washers in different thicknesses... a silver, brass, and black one (This is for the Technomoto VarioPlus). Those are used to tune the torque spring. If your scoot bogs (engine accelerates, then slows, then accelerates again on take-off) use the thickness of those washers to tune the torque spring tension until the bog is minimized.

Shay pretty much summed up the order of parts installation in the previous post. The only thing that really matters is installing the cylinder first, as the pipe mounts on the cylinder. I would think 1) cylinder 2) carb 3)pipe 4) tranny parts would be the logical sequence, but certainly not required.


Thanks for the response...been searching the forum high and low for stage 2 details...not much vino feedback however.

I should be getting my Stage 2 Performance kit anyday now.

Having the mechanic do the install.

Which components should he/she install first. 70cc then carb then variator then pipe...seems most logical?

Also, if they're installing new variator, do I need to tell the mechanic to de-restrict the stock variator...seems redundant? I just don't want them the add the washer/restrictor to the new variator...or is that even possible.

[BEAKER]

Sounds like I have quite a bit of tuning to do.

1st: Tune the carb...my mechanic should do this.

2nd: Tune the torque spring by adding shims (washers) for clutch engagement. Thicker washer means engagement at higher rpms? Thus should I use the thickest to start off with? Help anyone?

3rd: Tune variator. I'll use lightest rollers since I weigh 185lbs + sometimes girlfriend double on back + 130lbs. Is this the right approach also, appropriate roller weights? More help?

Does the 70cc require any tuning? 3 levels of tuning, am I missing anything else?

[Aviatrixie]

Yes... welcome to the wonderful world of scootertuning. LOL

Actually, the torque spring has nothing to do with the clutch, aside from the fact they are mounted on the same shaft on the Vino. You will put stiffer springs in the clutch so that it engages at a higher RPM. The shims are used to make it harder to open the rear pulley. As the Variator ramps shut during it's upshift it overcomes the torque spring in the rear pulley and allows the belt to "slide down" into the rear pulley. Bigger pulley up front, smaller pulley in rear... that's where the taller gearing comes from on your scooter in the automatic transmission.

You might as well stock up on rollers... the first set will wear out fast. Likewise your first belt. If you got the Technomoto VarioPlus your vario will come with 3 sets of rollers. I forget what the exact weights are, but they are approximately 5g, 6.5g, and 8g. There will be 2 piece plastic shells that go over the weights. Those weights will be fine for determining what weight range you want to use, but those weight should be considered temporary as they fall apart really fast. As much as you weigh you'll want to use weights in the lighter range. Your best bet is to just buy a couple sets in 5g, 5.5g and 6g weights. Actually the more the merrier as you will want to try different sizes (and combinations of sizes... three 5.0g rollers and three 5.5g rollers averages out to 5.25g). Mixing is ok as long as you keep the ranges close and you alternate them in the vario. There are 6 rollers installed total. I also hear of people successfully using only 3 rollers on alternate roller channels. three 8g rollers equals six 4gm rollers, but they do wear faster.

What you are looking for is the best acceleration and hill climbing that also results in a complete upshift at maximum speed. Rollers too heavy? Poor acceleration due to early upshift. Rollers too light? Belt never makes it out to the outer part of variator (and inner part of torque pulley) resulting in reduced top speed. Bogging during acceleration? Your torque spring is too weak, so you need to add shims.

Trust me... it takes a while to tune that tranny right. Once you do you'll get the best combo of pull and speed.

Erika



Sounds like I have quite a bit of tuning to do.

1st: Tune the carb...my mechanic should do this.

2nd: Tune the torque spring by adding shims (washers) for clutch engagement. Thicker washer means engagement at higher rpms? Thus should I use the thickest to start off with? Help anyone?

3rd: Tune variator. I'll use lightest rollers since I weigh 185lbs + sometimes girlfriend double on back + 130lbs. Is this the right approach also, appropriate roller weights? More help?

Does the 70cc require any tuning? 3 levels of tuning, am I missing anything else?