Zip vs Zip R3i

[Big Daddy T]

What in the world is the difference??

I'm still really hooked on the Phantom R4i, but I'm interested in hearing the differences in the Zips.

[smokin]

What in the world is the difference??

I'm still really hooked on the Phantom R4i, but I'm interested in hearing the differences in the Zips.

The difference is that on the new ones they have a socalled abs, the paint is different,The seat covering,the rack is changed to a "Spoiler",indiglo speedometer to 50mph, different rims,The handle bar body panel is different,and now they ONLY use 12mm cranks/pisttons. Since 2004. Mine had a 10mm, but with my new crank it is a 12mm.

If you do get a zip I think it is one of the best scooters you can get. For 1 there are replacement parts for for EVERY single part on the whole bike down to the bolts and nuts,aswell as body parts too. 2 They have a million performance parts to select from. 3 even stock they are fast out of the box.

[Big Daddy T]

Speaking of performance... How hard is it to get a Zip to go as fast as a Phantom R4i (acceleration wise)?

[smokin]

The motors on the zips you can spend a couple hundred bucks on some descent parts and you will eat any phantom.

Instead of spending the 2300 some odd dollars you spend 1350 on a zip spend 600 bux on some descent parts and fly. You save 400 some dollars and get alot more acceleration and top speed. Plus if you were to spend the 2300 dollars on the zip you would have a 75+ bike at the least and you get that monsterish 2 stroke sound. :worship:

[Big Daddy T]

You mean BBZZZZZZZZZ? Hehe. Why in the world are those 50cc motors so much better to beef up? Just because they are two strokes?

[XPS1210]

yep... it cost 2-3 times as much to modify a 4 stroke with the same parts as a 2 stroke... IMO anyway...

Bottom line 2 stroke parts are cheaper!

[Aviatrixie]

Plus, 2 strokes make twice as many power strokes as 4 strokes per minute. And expansion chambers make those power strokes even more powerful. But... expansion chambers simply do not work on 4 strokes. (it was all in my first Trixie Report).

That's why 4 strokes are allowed to be twice as big as 2 strokes in professional motorcycle racing, yet the 2 strokes still win. And turbines simply aren't even allowed in Indy car racing anymore. Some advantages simply cannot be overcome.

2 strokes are the ramjets of the reciprocating engine world. ;)


yep... it cost 2-3 times as much to modify a 4 stroke with the same parts as a 2 stroke... IMO anyway...

Bottom line 2 stroke parts are cheaper!

[Big Daddy T]

In other words it could become quite possible that whenever (if ever) hydrogen vehicles become THE style of motor of choice two strokes might make a come-back (no polution after all, lol). That'd be kinda spiffy *quits rambling*

[Aviatrixie]

Eventually hydrogen WILL become the fuel of choice (by default). We're burning dinosaurs (and plants) that died eons ago. It's an extremely limited resource that we've been using for transportation for about 100 years. Oil is expected to hit $60/barrel this summer. I burned 36,000 lbs of those refined dead dinosaurs at work today. If not in our lifetime, our children's lifetime... otherwise our grandchildren will be riding horses to work.


In other words it could become quite possible that whenever (if ever) hydrogen vehicles become THE style of motor of choice two strokes might make a come-back (no polution after all, lol). That'd be kinda spiffy *quits rambling*

[Big Daddy T]

I agree that it will eventually be the fuel of choice. Really the primary issue is retro-fitting gas stations, saftey at fill-up, and storing it in the vehicle. It'll be the way of the future, but not as long as oil companies play a role in the entire thing/

[Aviatrixie]

Great topic... but we're totally off topic now for the tread. Our poor Admin is going to have to move it to the lounge if we don't take it there ourselves. ;)


I'll do it now.

I agree that it will eventually be the fuel of choice. Really the primary issue is retro-fitting gas stations, saftey at fill-up, and storing it in the vehicle. It'll be the way of the future, but not as long as oil companies play a role in the entire thing/