Parts for Zuma

[Angelfire]

Ok here is my e-mail I just sent to provo of all the stuff I want now I need your guys opinions.

Ok I have a 2005 Yamaha Zuma and now its time to make it go fast :) here is the list feel free to add or take off things I may need or not need. *note* this will all be MHR Malossi Products unless they don't come in MHR.

K&N Air inlet
Roller Kit
MHR Malossi 70cc Big bore kit
MHR Malossi 25 mm carb with manual choke
MHR Malossi Over drive kit
MHR Malossi Up gear kit
MHR Malossi Carbon fiber reed cage
MHR Malossi Delta clutch with Red clutch springs
MHR Malossi Red variator spring
MHR Malossi Kevlar Belt
MHR Malossi CrankShaft
MHR Malossi wing clutch bell
Throttle cable that will work with the new carb unless stock one will work which I don't belive so.
MHR Malossi Exhaust ment fo a 70cc kit now if you think there is a better one let me know and go with that one I will trust your opinion over mine.

I think that is it if I have missed anything or have anything that I don't need please change it. Basically I want everything I can possibaly do to this zuma engine wise. I however do not want the CDI box at this time as I find it completly pointless correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you for your Time :ulp

[pinkymingeo]

You must have won the lottery. Polini Evo is a better cylinder. The Polini reed cage is better, too. The Malossi crank is overpriced. Take the dealer's suggestion and get better for less. Go with a 24mm or 28mm OKO carb. Easier to tune, and better. The OKOs come with a reed cage. No need to buy another. The Malossi pipe is OK, but a Yasuni C20 is better and cheaper. You're biting off a lot.

[rydah]

wow looks like your ready to race, but wheres your pipe. with all that mhr stuff dont cheap out on the pipe and get the technigas, get the mhr team 2004 or the latest mhr pipe, unless you know of of the other racing pipes that i wont mention on here. thats a really good set up, you should be lookin at speeds of 75+ super easy.

[XPS1210]

one question...

what is MHR?

Do you know?

There are several "types" of malossi parts... Safety, MHR, and their standard line...

Just want to make sure you know the difference in the parts...


The over range comes with the Kevlar belt already... so if you order another one... it is not going to fit in the 1st place... as the belts are different sizes...


anyway, just want to make sure your getting what you want the 1st time...

[rydah]

You must have won the lottery. Polini Evo is a better cylinder. The Polini reed cage is better, too. The Malossi crank is overpriced. Take the dealer's suggestion and get better for less. Go with a 24mm or 28mm OKO carb. Easier to tune, and better. The OKOs come with a reed cage. No need to buy another. The Malossi pipe is OK, but a Yasuni C20 is better and cheaper. You're biting off a lot.
i would use the malossi carb 25mm(dellorto) before i would use the oko carbs. if you are goin to use the okos use the real kehin 28mm pwk.
if you are planning on getting the malossi parts just make sure the real MALOSSI HYPER RACING PARTS, MHR. provo should be able to get all those parts for you.

[Angelfire]

Oh I know I will make damn sure they are the Real MHR parts hehe for what I am gonna spend they better be the MHR parts lol and ya I think I will go with the latest Malossi pipe figured I would keep the same product line hmm wonder if they will give me some Provo Stickers to put on my scoot :)

I figure the price will be around 1,300.00 for everything I think just a guess

[Angelfire]

Oh the over range kit comes with new Variator correct or do I need one of those 2 :)

[rydah]

the over range should be up to date because they dont really change too much just make sure that pipe is the latest because malossi changes the design often. you will also have to get plenny weights to tune that tranny and if you dont have a digital scale get one you will need it. oh yeah and get yourself a extra belt and some ramp guides.

[Angelfire]

mind telling me what you mean when you say Ramp Guide and plenny weights ?

[Snyeed]

I think he meant plenty of variator weights to tune the tranny.

but not sure about ramp guides

[XPS1210]

ramp guides... "bushing" on provo's site... they are the little black plastic pieces that the pulley face slides on...

$1300... I think your shorting it a little... I'd say a little closer to $1700...

K&N Air inlet <---$25
Roller Kit <--- the over range comes with 3.9 and 4.7 gram rollers
MHR Malossi 70cc Big bore kit $300+
MHR Malossi 25 mm carb with manual choke $200ish
MHR Malossi Over drive kit $350
MHR Malossi Up gear kit $100
MHR Malossi Carbon fiber reed cage $70
MHR Malossi Delta clutch with Red clutch springs $100
MHR Malossi Red variator spring <--- comes with over range
MHR Malossi Kevlar Belt <--- comes with over range
MHR Malossi CrankShaft <-- $200-300
MHR Malossi wing clutch bell <-- $70

Then the MHR pipe: another $250 or so...

[King Vino]

If I ever did my Vino up, I'd go MHR :)

[pinkymingeo]

Everything Malossi is overpriced. Nothing is made by Malossi. It's all jobbed-out. The quality of their cylinders has dropped in recent years. The Team/Speed cylinder has very thick walls. You may need to machine your crankcase to fit it. Ask the dealer. Can't beat their varios, though.

[XPS1210]

I've mentioned it before... I prefer the polini cylinders... I've heard nothing but good about them... unlike the MHR cylinders...

I have the Polini Corsa/R (race ported case 70cc).... I like it, it seams pretty well built... it's only rated at 12 hp though.. unlike it's big brother the Polini Evolution... which is rated (out of the box) at 18ish HP...

But there is a lot of variables... so those numbers are just a ball park...

[florida derbi rocket]

Erich here at Provo.. should have a Weight assortment (6 of each weight)...you might have to change back and forth between some lighter and heavier weights as you get your tranny section tuned in..its worth the trouble.. ;)

[Angelfire]

Well that was fast I just got the E-mail from Erich total is 2,030.00 :) 459.00 of that is just for the 70cc MHR pipe :) lets hope that pipe does its job.

[XPS1210]

thought your $1300 was on the wlow side!


gonna order it all?

[Lennox]

Big spender, I like it!!!!!!! :naught: :ll ::Ov

[Angelfire]

Yes Jered I am gonna order it all but since you mentioned that Polini Evolution
I am wondering which to go with lol but I will figure it out whenever I can get ahold of Erich cause he is not answering lol. o_o

Oh another thing I have to figure out is where hell to get a digital speedo cause after all this stuff is installed don't think the 45mph one is gonna cut it hmm wonder what speeds I will be able to reach.

[XPS1210]

Your going all out MHR... no since keeping not keeping it in the family...

The evo is just another option... Like I said, I've heard from the forums rumor mill that the evo is a longer lasting cylinder... I think it's from the cylinder coating lasting longer...

Talk with erich and ask him what his thoughts are on the MHR cylinder...

I think your gonna be happy no matter which way you go...

[Angelfire]

Well then all MHR it is. :) What is the max speed you think I will be able to get this thing to that and think it will be able to wheelie without yanking on the bars cause thats what I have to do now is yank on the bars then I can ride them for miles or until I leave off the gas hehe. o_o

[XPS1210]

you should easily pull wheelies...

My tire comes up easy with a corsa/R cylinder... and the MHR should make several HP more than the corsa does...

[pinkymingeo]

Top speed will depend on your gears. You should be able to make mid-70's no sweat. Remember that with the MHR installation is critical. When they talk about setting squish and ignition timing, they're not kidding. Since you're going the whole nine yards, you might consider converting to LC. The cylinders are more powerful, and take much more abuse. It's tough to hurt a high-performance LC, and very easy to fry the AC.

[hungff77]

Since you are going all the way MHR, I think you should go all the way to LC. Pinky know how much better LC is. Beside, with MHR AC, your jetting is also very crucial. Don't risk of frying the cylinder. Take a few more bucks and go LC.

Frankie

[smokin]

Ya definetely if your gonna drop 2 g's spend the extra money and go lc you'll love it in the short and long.cooler, more power, higher tolerances, Tighter clearances. It's just better overall.

[Angelfire]

Anyone know what I all need for LC ? and how much more for it ?

[XPS1210]

Ask erich on a price, but you need a manual or electric pump (which if provo can't get I can direct you to a place that can get them for about $130)
, you need a small radiator can get a used on for $50 or so on eBay...

and some radiator hose...

in addition to the Liquid cooled cylinder head...

[pinkymingeo]

I'm not convinced the Zuma has enough spare juice for an electric pump if you have your lights wired together. Been done but it's close enough to make you nervous, anyway. I'd accept the little bit of power sacrificed, and go mechanical. The mechanical pump looks killer on the engine, too. Otherwise you wind up with an exposed flywheel.

[Angelfire]

hmm ok now where do I go about putting a radiator on this damn thing lol hmmmm

[Lennox]

I'm not convinced the Zuma has enough spare juice for an electric pump if you have your lights wired together. Been done but it's close enough to make you nervous, anyway. I'd accept the little bit of power sacrificed, and go mechanical. The mechanical pump looks killer on the engine, too. Otherwise you wind up with an exposed flywheel.

I agree with the lack of "juice". Does mechanical pump strain much more than the fan?

[XPS1210]

there is a scooter garage with pics in there... he made a fiberglass mount above the headlights on the front panel... link to scooter garage (http://www.provoscooter.com/vbull/vbgarage.php?do=view&id=287)

or you could cut it into the lower panel behind the tire... use your imagination... as long as you have the ability to allow air to go into and out of the radiator... your golden...

and I agree with pinky, I'd use the manual one... just threw the option of the electric one out there....

[Angelfire]

I will just set it up like the motorcycles are right under the front tire. As for air flow that should be enough otherwise I can hook a Fan up for it.

[pinkymingeo]

I use a radiator from a CR80 mounted at the rear of the belly pan. Cut out the battery box for air flow, and mounted a small gel cell where my oil tank used to be. The thing ran too hot, so I added an automotive tranny cooler hung under the pan with old vario rollers as spacers. The cooling system works perfectly, with an average operating temp of 170. Never exceeds 190. Looks good, too.

[Angelfire]

Ok see the thing is I want it to look good and work even better Fabrication is not a problem however how much power do you gain when you go from AC to LC ?

[Angelfire]

That and where does the manual pump hook up to on the motor ?

[shayandaman]

Correct me if im wrong, but it connects to the magneto side of the motor. (opposite side of the tranny)

[pinkymingeo]

LC engines are at least +10% over AC out-of-the-box. Ports are bigger, port timing hotter, squish lower and compression higher. They can do this because the cooling is so much better. The pump mounts over the flywheel, replacing the plastic shroud. It's made by Moto Minarelli and is identical to the pump on an Aerox or any other LC HMin.

[smokin]

yes you just remove your fan cover and your fan and then it just bolts on right there and runs off the motor.

[smokin]

I agree with the lack of "juice". Does mechanical pump strain much more than the fan?

Actually lennox I read that the pump is actually less strain on the motor than the fan because that fan is acting as a kind of turbo affect to cool the motor to create that suction it is actually more lag on the motor than the pump.

[Angelfire]

well thats easy enough hmm but now does MHR have a LC 70cc kit ?

[XPS1210]

well thats easy enough hmm but now does MHR have a LC 70cc kit ?


that'll fit the zuma....

[Angelfire]

Ya a Lc MHR kit that will fit a 05 zuma thanks lol

[rydah]

angelfire my friend built a Mako with a 70cc mhr ac cylinder and that bike chases down 118cc honda strokers no problem, i dont know the top speed of the bike its really fast and nuts off the line. most bikes with REAL race cylinders are nuts anyway no matter what brand.