Broke down... Need advice from the "Wise"

[Booya]

Ok, I let sombody install a few parts on my Zuma. Bad idea I know. The parts that were installed, I found reading the forums, I could have easily did the work myself and will in the future. Word to the wise, I found there is more tech help here than ANYWHERE else on the web. I know, I looked.
The parts were just a new pipe, springs and rollers. It ran great for a wile then I started to hear an intermitten vibration. I opened it up, and noticed the front of the variator was loose. In fact, you could spin it on the shaft. The guy told me today when he got done with the install and put it back together, he put the nut from the clutch on the variator and vise versa. Anyway, they are both striped out and I'm stuck without a ride.
So my question is this. I was planning to get an upgear kit soon anyway, will that completely replace the stock shaft? I allready know I will have to get a new variator. And what about the clutch shaft, do they sale them at provoscooter? If so, is there an up-grade from stock?
Thanks in advance. I really need some good, sound advice.

[Lennox]

the shaft the clutch sits on is replaced when you "upgear" are you saying that the crank is stripped too?

[Booya]

Not as bad as the shaft the variator is on. I really don't have to replace anything but that.

[shayandaman]

well if you stripped your crank and are gonna open your case, your better off getting a whole new full circle performance crank. E-mail Erich to see how much he sells them for. Erich also sells upgear kits. Just email him....

[Lennox]

Not as bad as the shaft the variator is on. I really don't have to replace anything but that.


the "shaft" that your Variater is IS your CRANK! :eek:

[Aviatrixie]

"The guy told me today when he got done with the install and put it back together, he put the nut from the clutch on the variator and vise versa. Anyway, they are both striped out and I'm stuck without a ride."

Why in the world did he do THAT?

[XPS1210]

as lennox said, the rear shaft is replaced with the upgear, however you need to have a set up that will push those gears...

if you have stage 1 then it will never be powerful enought to get up to speeds...

if you are planning on a stage 1 install, stick with the stock gears and stock crank or possibly a replacement 10mm crank.

if you plan on further upgrades, then get a performance crank 10 or 12mm, 70cc kit, pipe, carb and intake, since you need the variator already get the over range if you can afford it...

basically if you have the money $1500 or so, go stage 2+ get the gears, over range, new intake and reed valves, CDI unit, clutch and clutch bell....

if you don't then you can build to it but make sure your parts work togeather...

[Lennox]

Why in the world did he do THAT?

do what, tell him! :naught:

[Booya]

Just so I'm straight, the shaft is coming out of the engine, and the crank is where the clutch is, right. Just a NOOB Question.

[Lennox]

Just so I'm straight, the shaft is coming out of the engine, and the crank is where the clutch is, right. Just a NOOB Question.

reverse that..... The crank shaft comes out of the engine, and the rear part is a geared shaft for the final drive (I dont know the technical name?)

[Aviatrixie]

do what, tell him! :naught:

LOL

Put the nuts on backwards, of course! He should have been able to tell they weren't "right"!

[Booya]

I'm planning to go to stage two very soon. Figured I would get the upgear now so I didn't have to buy a replacement for stock, then in a month get the kit.

[shayandaman]

well if your crank is stripped, a stage two wont do you any good!

[Aviatrixie]

Sounds like he needs a die set and new nuts to me.


well if your crank is stripped, a stage two wont do you any good!

[Booya]

Ok, then what do I have to do to get me back on the road without breaking me. After all the IRS will get there money first.

[Lennox]

try a die set first. you should be able to fix it! then go from there..... ::handleba

[Booya]

Ok, I'll try that and wile I'm at it I'll get a new variator, any sugestions on one that will up-grade with my soon-to-be upgraded engine?

[Aviatrixie]

and if you don't know what a die set is, just find a machinist in the yellow pages, pay him his fee for 30 minutes work and you'll be good to go. But you probably won't be able to use the stock nuts. The die cuts new threads on your striped shaft.

We've all been there. LOL :dunce:

try a die set first. you should be able to fix it! then go from there..... ::handleba

[Lennox]

Like Jered said, the overrange is the way to go if you got the cash.... if not, a Malossi will be good for you!

[Booya]

Thanks for the help. And glad I'm not alone.

[XPS1210]

if you are planning on a stage 2... but want to wait...

you can replace the crank or rethread the threads...

you will probably want an over range tranny with the gears... (both parts are around $450)...

stage 2 less than $500.00

clutch bell... $99
cdi $59
reed vavles $59
intake $65 or so

I'd see if erich will cut you a deal with the stage 2 kit and have the over range thrown in instead of buying 2 different types of variators... (one comes with the over range kit, which you can find more info on via the search button in the blue banner)....

it's all depeding on how much you want to spend and when you want to spend it... Also... if you are going as I mentioned above with all the parts... might as well get a new crank... Provo can get the malossi ones... not sure if he has access to other brands or not... There are some fairly cheap priced ones on the market for around $139-150... and they are decent ones...

[pinkymingeo]

I'm running the TP 10mm crank. It's good, and sells for less than $130.

[XPS1210]

yep... which is probably around what a stock one costs...

[smokin]

ya i heard that's a good crank for the street and it also doesn't burn a hole in your pocket either. I was gonna get one from the start but decided to get 12 mm crank instead. :naught:

[pinkymingeo]

That's what I would have figured too, but out of curiosity I just checked. Stock is only $77. Some of the stock parts are amazingly cheap. Others aren't.

[Booya]

Ok I'm set for now. I ordered a variator from Provo, and will go to the machine shop for the threads. Then, soon the over-range kit. I also have on order; the delta clutch and winged bell, kevlar belt, and a CDI. I think I will be ok.

[smokin]

sounds like a plan but why are you getting a variator if your gonna get the overrange soon?

[Booya]

Maby more later than soon.

[Aviatrixie]

Amazing, isn't it? I've been around and around about varios and belts in a half dozen forums. From what I can figure, stock rollers are by FAR the most durable, but only come in one weight, and it's too heavy for performance apps. I've met people that get over 5000 miles out of a Malossi Kevlar belt, but then I meet people that say stock is better. I won't even go into the variator debate! I think it's time to start a thread on reliability vis a vis performance!


That's what I would have figured too, but out of curiosity I just checked. Stock is only $77. Some of the stock parts are amazingly cheap. Others aren't.

[wideopen01]

sounds like a plan but why are you getting a variator if your gonna get the overrange soon?


yea you shouldent get the vair...save that money for the overrange its 10 times better...and plus its going to be a waste of money because its gonna come right back off becasuse the overrange kits come with a vair... :yippy:

[smokin]

More like not heavy enough the stock rollers made shayandamans belt slip so bad he shredded his stock one it just kept slipping and slipping and then one day pop and the motor started to scream (sounded like it went into netrual while WOT).

[wideopen01]

[QUOTE=Aviatrixie I won't even go into the variator debate! I think it's time to start a thread on reliability vis a vis performance!
That's why I am keeping my Vino as close to stock as possible. I've added better tires & shock, de-restricted, but no plans to upgrade performance.
Relability is affected when you start messing with the engine. Alot of you folks love to tinker with engines--not me. I don't mind doing maintenance and did the de-restrictions and installed the shock myself--engine upgrades are beyond me. I know when I am beat.
That's why I got a Twist and Go scooter. I am lazy and just want it to go.
If I want a faster scooter, I'll get a 150 People or Milano:)[/QUOTE]

Yea man smokin is right you should buy the overrange save money dont buy the viar...plus thats a waste of money because a overrange kit comes withone... ::handleba

[sooznd]

I won't even go into the variator debate! I think it's time to start a thread on reliability vis a vis performance! That's why I am keeping my Vino as close to stock as possible. I've added better tires & shock, de-restricted, but no plans to upgrade performance.
Relability is affected when you start messing with the engine. Alot of you folks love to tinker with engines--not me. I don't mind doing maintenance and did the de-restrictions and installed the shock myself--engine upgrades are beyond me. I know when I am beat.
That's why I got a Twist and Go scooter. I am lazy and just want it to go.
If I want a faster scooter, I'll get a 150 People or Milano::handleba

[wideopen01]

Yep definetly dont use the stock rollers thats a NO NO unless you wantto spend a nother 30 dollars for a belt....eric is right i was their when it happnd the stock rollers made shayandamans belt slip and shredded his stock one its because it kept slipping then one day it just got sick and tired of it and gave out and shredded..and shyan was ------> :angry:

[Aviatrixie]

LOL and hiys Sooz

I had to cancel my day with a dear friend to pick up my Bandit today... My Subaru tranny and all. But when you get down to it, I have to ask why any of us do it! You're easy to explain... you ride a scoot because that is the only 2 wheeled experience you've ever had. Me... I've ridden motorcycles since I was a teen. Others here have had knees blown out or worse and I assume feel safer on scooters. In the end it gets down to what you want to do with your scooter. It's a frikken 49cc motor! At least mine is! LOL




[QUOTE=Aviatrixie I won't even go into the variator debate! I think it's time to start a thread on reliability vis a vis performance!
That's why I am keeping my Vino as close to stock as possible. I've added better tires & shock, de-restricted, but no plans to upgrade performance.
Relability is affected when you start messing with the engine. Alot of you folks love to tinker with engines--not me. I don't mind doing maintenance and did the de-restrictions and installed the shock myself--engine upgrades are beyond me. I know when I am beat.
That's why I got a Twist and Go scooter. I am lazy and just want it to go.
If I want a faster scooter, I'll get a 150 People or Milano:)[/QUOTE]

[smokin]

Can't say the same for all of us on here some of us doing 70+mph.lol o_o<--------ZOOM

[Aviatrixie]

My expectations were simple when I came here... I have a simple derestricted Vino that needs a little more "umph"... there should be a way to do that without what I've gone through with my technomoto vario!

OK... I'm gonna order the Malossi MultiVar from Provo... but what a headache and expense sorting this out has been!

Let us be up front!


Just speaking my mind,

Erika

[pinkymingeo]

You oughta go whole hog. I had a chance, once, to ride a Vino with T6/19mm/NextR, plus other goodies. That thing would power wheelie at 30mph. Get the goodies, make sure your hospitalization is up to date, and have fun.

[Aviatrixie]

Thank you, Pinky!!!

It's hard to get excited about any 2 stroke after Barry cafe raced my R5... but it's always fun!

If you haven't figured it out yet, I'm a pretty stable gal that gets excited about bikes. ;)


You oughta go whole hog. I had a chance, once, to ride a Vino with T6/19mm/NextR, plus other goodies. That thing would power wheelie at 30mph. Get the goodies, make sure your hospitalization is up to date, and have fun.

[XPS1210]

You know... on a side note... it kinda sucks that the vino is easier to make faster... due to the lack of stopping power!

I'm gonna shave mine to pieces and make it go on a diet or something... maybe a frame only scooter or something... (yes I've thought about this... but don't know yet)...

Then loose 20 or so pounds myself.... heck I'd be going 150mph in no time! ROFLOL! or maybe 70....

anyway, As long as I hit 65-70mph and can pull a wheelie, I'll be a happy man!

[Booya]

Ok, Ive decided to buy a replacement crank from my local Yamaha dealer. I also ordered from Provoscooter: Technomoto Variator and Finned pully, Malossi Delta Clutch and Wing Bell, Kevlar Belt, and the Malossi TC Ignition Unit. With the how to section, I can install all of these parts from Provoscooter. However I could't find anything on how to install the crank. Is there a section on that? Or would it just be easier to take it to Yamaha to do it?

[Lennox]

Ok, Ive decided to buy a replacement crank from my local Yamaha dealer. I also ordered from Provoscooter: Technomoto Variator and Finned pully, Malossi Delta Clutch and Wing Bell, Kevlar Belt, and the Malossi TC Ignition Unit. With the how to section, I can install all of these parts from Provoscooter. However I could't find anything on how to install the crank. Is there a section on that? Or would it just be easier to take it to Yamaha to do it?


If you have never done a complete rebuild on a 2-stroke, definatly take it to Yamaha! ;) There are some tricks you need to know when installing a crank. Getting the old bearings out, getting the new ones in and re-sealing the cases can get tricky for a 1st timer ;) This is part of the reason I never did a "how-to" on the stroker. I would not want to be responsible for someone reading it, and saying to themselves "that sounds easy enough" ;no

if you have mechanical skills, and tools and want to give it a try, I'll tell you all you need to know :)

[Booya]

Little skill, well none actually. So I'll do it the easy way and take it to Yamaha. Thanks for the advice and keeping me from making a mess of things. This forum was a great idea for folks like me, maybe they should think about a chat room here at Provo. That way we could swap stories or get tech help in real time. I think that would be a great next step for Provoscooter.

[str8dum]

Yeah, have fun with the price they tell you to do the crank. All 3 of my local yamaha dealers wanted $600 to do the crank swap and that was with the OEM crank and bringing them the entire bike. Its a real pain in the ass and takes more than a couple hrs to do. I did mine over like 3 days. At $75/hr labor, I can easily see how they charge 600$ to do it, esp with since I bet none of the techs have every done it before.

Good luck!

[Booya]

I got my Zuma back today. I took it to the Yamaha shop after all. I bought a crank earlier and took it in for them to install. So, I pick it up and they ordered and put on a new variator, belt, and a new clutch. They did't install the crank so I got a refund on that. Best part it was all under warranty. Parts and labor.

so now I got all new stock parts and a box from Provoscooter with a technomoto Variator, a kevlar belt and a new Delta clutch. Easy choise on what to do now. I am going outside and ripping out the new stock parts and putting in the new, newer parts from Provo.

[yama916]

that is one awsome dealer.. we should have a place to put these info on good dealers and bad dealers!

[hybridrazz]

i did a crank swap on my razz new bearings, rod, and engine there's a few tricks that make it a lot easier for sure.