Perpetual: Pi**ng Contest Thread

[wideopen01]

well, I know that my pipe is my weak link!! I am still running my Technigas!

Does anybody know what pipe would be best for my set-up?

So jered if your saying that arisal is a good kit!!! if you have the same performance parts on two of the same bikes and the only diffrence is the 70c one has a evo and one has an arisal.....who should win...i heard the evo will beat any kit out their???

Admin edit: SEE PART I (http://www.provoscooter.com/vbull/showthread.php?p=12926&posted=1#post12926post12926) of the discussion,

[smokin]

ya but you have to keep in mind i'm gonna have a race crank and a much bigger carb then everyone else too. :smokin:

[wideopen01]

ya but you have to keep in mind i'm gonna have a race crank and a much bigger carb then everyone else too. :smokin:

Its not about that im talking about KIT VS KIT on SAME SCOOTER WITH SAME PERFORMANCE PARTS.....

[smokin]

so then what are you talking about?

[wideopen01]

so then what are you talking about?

Well im trying to see what the moderators have to say about arisal vs evo...like jered lenix and what not

[pinkymingeo]

Somebody who's a whiz at porting could make a T6 run with and Evo. Both single-ring aluminum. With equivalent port timing, squish and compression they'd run about the same. Even an all-thumbs amateur like me, with dremel, can have a T6 making power into the 13's with a lot of torque.

[wideopen01]

Somebody who's a whiz at porting could make a T6 run with and Evo. Both single-ring aluminum. With equivalent port timing, squish and compression they'd run about the same. Even an all-thumbs amateur like me, with dremel, can have a T6 making power into the 13's with a lot of torque.


the evos come PORTED AND RACE READY RIGHT??and fully done right??

[pinkymingeo]

The Evo comes about as hot (power and temp) as you'd want to push an AC cylinder. Ported to rev high. Lots of compression. Little squish. It's ready to run. The LC is a different story. The European guys lay out their hard-earned Euros, pull out the dremel, and start grinding.

[XPS1210]

the Evo's are race ported and all from the factory...

they are one of the "hottest" kits you can get...

so a stock evo and a stock airsal.... There is no competion.... Period the evo would smoke it hands down... hence the $350+ price compaired to the $140... with $200 plus worth of work, you still wouldn't have the airsal in the same range as an Evo...


The Airsal is a good cylinder, can be made better, but is no Evo....

[King Vino]

You pay for quality and performance.

[rydah]

Wideopen that evo ac or watercool will kill that airsal ac or watercool. if both kits were to be modded the evo would still win. the ac evo kit is good but when you port the **** out of it, its even better. remember these things can always be made better in the hands of the right tuner. i have seen a 100cc yamaha stroker race against a 70cc evo ac and the stroker beat it, but not by much. the ac bike topped out at 88 and the stroker topped out at 94. not too bad for streetable mopeds.
we all know that Lennox bike is goin to be in the high eighties when he gets all the right parts. a friend of mines has a pipe for your bike, its made for yamaha 100cc strokers.

[pinkymingeo]

There are a lot of factors. My ported T6 LC/C16/24mm would run close to the Evo AC with the same carb/pipe. If he had C20/28mm tuned right I'd eat his dust. On the other hand, I don't need to change rings monthly and pistons every two months. The Evo LC is another story. Those things, set up right, can go very fast without worrying too much about a meltdown.

[wideopen01]

There are a lot of factors. My ported T6 LC/C16/24mm would run close to the Evo AC with the same carb/pipe. If he had C20/28mm tuned right I'd eat his dust. On the other hand, I don't need to change rings monthly and pistons every two months. The Evo LC is another story. Those things, set up right, can go very fast without worrying too much about a meltdown.

ooooo man i was talking to a couple of my friends down thier in hawaii and they told me that some one on a mineralli had a evo kit with evo tansmition parts belt vair and what not and had all these polini parts and some guy came through with a DERBI GP1 and had a metrakit and BEAT THE evo kit???do you know about that race???if you want i can find out their names...so other bikes can beat evo kits. the way i see it.

[pinkymingeo]

MK cylinders are very fast. A lot of racers use them, tuned of course. I think that more important than the make of cylinder are pipe match, ignition curve and tranny tuning. I've watched the guys at Moped Hospital prepare a bike for racing. They'll spend hours on the dyno getting everything set just right.

[rydah]

ooooo man i was talking to a couple of my friends down thier in hawaii and they told me that some one on a mineralli had a evo kit with evo tansmition parts belt vair and what not and had all these polini parts and some guy came through with a DERBI GP1 and had a metrakit and BEAT THE evo kit???do you know about that race???if you want i can find out their names...so other bikes can beat evo kits. the way i see it.
Wide i know who you are talking about and that derbi cannot beat that evo bike. that derbi is running a handmade cylinder, he not even running the pro series parts. that derbi weights over 200lbs and that evo bike is about 160lbs. there is no way that derbi can win, even with a pro series cylinder. you are only hearing stuffs from one shop about the next shop, thats how it is out here, dog eat dog. i can tell you right now a derbi gp-1 with complete mk pro series could never beat a jog or one of there jog clones with a complete evo, they get beat just because of the weight, jogs only weight 130lbs, power to weight ratio. i seen those mk cylinders that is on that bike its not even a race kit, it doesnt even have a bridge port exhaust, i would take a airsal before i put that mk handmade cylinder on my bike. i see that derbi almost everyday on my way to work so i know wassup.

[wideopen01]

Wide i know who you are talking about and that derbi cannot beat that evo bike. that derbi is running a handmade cylinder, he not even running the pro series parts. that derbi weights over 200lbs and that evo bike is about 160lbs. there is no way that derbi can win, even with a pro series cylinder. you are only hearing stuffs from one shop about the next shop, thats how it is out here, dog eat dog. i can tell you right now a derbi gp-1 with complete mk pro series could never beat a jog or one of there jog clones with a complete evo, they get beat just because of the weight, jogs only weight 130lbs, power to weight ratio. i seen those mk cylinders that is on that bike its not even a race kit, it doesnt even have a bridge port exhaust, i would take a airsal before i put that mk handmade cylinder on my bike. i see that derbi almost everyday on my way to work so i know wassup.


I didnt ask my friends details all he told me that a guy on a derbi beat a evo jog bike...i will try to find more details asap and ill let you know.. :dance:

[smokin]

I have to agree with rydah on this one the derbi is almost double the weight of the jog and the jog has the evo setup so were talkin in the ranges of 20+ hp if i understand correct out in hawaii they put on big carbs 28mm and alot of lil extras that no1 else does so definetely the jog will smoke him hands down Better parts half the weight 20+ hp derbi is getting beat....I still like the racey style of the derbi though if only it wasn't such a tank
:army:

[smokin]

Just to make sure an arisal ac ported will it be making close to and lc evo unported or will the evo still smoke it?

[wideopen01]

Just to make sure an lc evo ported will always beat an arisal ac kit even if it is ported aswell?


OK so what your saying is shyan and cantdrive WILL NEVER BEAT YOU...you guys should just stop buying parts your not going to be able to beat himm......i guesss its only him with his evo....and me with my 72cc POLINI CORSA.....thats the competiton... ;no

[XPS1210]

your cosra can't touch his evo either... if it's tuned correctly.... the evo is 17+ and the corsa is 12+ HP....

and yes... I'm saying if all that is done to the airsal is a "extreme" port and polish... the evo will still beat it... if you had the cylinder wall recoated and raise the compression.... then maybe it will work...

[wideopen01]

your cosra can't touch his evo either... if it's tuned correctly.... the evo is 17+ and the corsa is 12+ HP....

and yes... I'm saying if all that is done to the airsal is a "extreme" port and polish... the evo will still beat it... if you had the cylinder wall recoated and raise the compression.... then maybe it will work...

Its 12hp on a MINARELLI....on mine it should be more because check this out...almost everyone in HAWAII that has hondas ive heard have the 72CC THAT I HAVE they say that it is one of the BEST setups for my BIKE...so if 72cc in hawaii is vrsing other minerallis with my kit..i should be good...if he does beat me ive been told from people in hawaii that i wont get beat that BAD....what do you think RYDAH

[XPS1210]

you changed your post! not nice!

also the Liquid Cooled Evo can be ran EXTREMELY LEAN unlike the Air Cooled airsal so it could push some extra power out that way as well...

[XPS1210]

also... you have to figure on a 200 pount vehicle 1hp is a MAJOR difference!

let alone 3-5hp!

[wideopen01]

also... you have to figure on a 200 pount vehicle 1hp is a MAJOR difference!

let alone 3-5hp!

right it is a bid diffrence but your forgetting we are racing two differnt kinds of bikes and have alot of diffrent parts..we will see the only thing i got to say is that if smokin does beat my bike it will not be by alot...WHAT DO YOU THINK RYDAH i mean i do have one of the BEST kit for my bike....their out their running my kit 72 vs STROKERS....come on dude dont you think they know what their doing...im just saying...the race is going to be good.

[XPS1210]

I did say that there are a lot of different things that make it all happen...

IE: tranny, pipe, etc...

but there are some major things that will influence the scooters power/speed

cylinder, carb & intake, tranny, pipe, ignition...

not to mention the smaller things like tires, fuel, oil, heck plug gap can make a difference!

[smokin]

ya but when you have a full evo setup i.e pipe, crank, overrange kit, evo 70cc, and a 30mm koso carb with matching intake your pretty much smokin a whole lot of stuff?

[XPS1210]

yes...

as I said.... the evo set up is gonna smoke what you guys were discribing on here...

no matter, the airsal is a good cylinder but needs some serious work to handle keeping up with an EVO kit...

don't ya know!

[smokin]

Ya I know Jered it's just that wideopen doesn't believe me that an evo will make more power and the only thing your really gonna ba able to beat it with is either another Evo another race cylinder like a MHR,Hebo manston2,A big block stroker,and Maybe a HIGHLY tuned mid class cylinder which you will probaly spend as much as an evo on in machine shop work and other custom work to beat it???

[XPS1210]

yep....

Actually this topic is driving me nuts!

but it's all in the package... a evo on a 10mm stock crank with everythign else stock, would do nothing and a airsal set up (pipe, carb etc.) would kill it...

then again a evo set up that is HORRIBLY tuned would get spanked by a airsal set up if it was tuned to peek performance.

there are to many things that influence it...

[smokin]

Well ya of course if you take an evo and put stock carb and pipe and a cheap variator and just jet up the carb of course it will get spanked by a race tuned arisal.Even a 125 stroker will if the rest of the parts are stock or cheap parts not setup right.But all cheap parts and if this and if that aside an evo is still a mean kit it's one of the top 3 sickest 70cc kit you can get for a bike and is capable of 80mph+ and is possible to have 20+hp.

[wideopen01]

yep....

Actually this topic is driving me nuts!

but it's all in the package... a evo on a 10mm stock crank with everythign else stock, would do nothing and a airsal set up (pipe, carb etc.) would kill it...

then again a evo set up that is HORRIBLY tuned would get spanked by a airsal set up if it was tuned to peek performance.

there are to many things that influence it...


Ok but we will see when race day comes....we will se who wins between shyan,cantdrive,smokin...and then when my head heals ill have my bike and my performance parts on that bike by then i should be good then ill race the winner out of them..... :naught:

[wideopen01]

Ok but we will see when race day comes....we will se who wins between shyan,cantdrive,smokin...and then when my head heals ill have my bike and my performance parts on that bike by then i should be good then ill race the winner out of them..... :naught:

got some good news rydah...The race was between a guy named JOHN which had a magaluti f12 fantom with a FULL BLOWN EVO KIT....VS a Guy named MAKA which had a derbi gp1 which had a METRAKIT SP kit and maka beat him.....and plus what you were telling me i heard some info about...C I out in hawaii the fastest bikes they build are ALL TYWAN PARTS NOT EVO....and H E I's fastes bikes which is out of buisness had all tywan parts as well...and ive heard of VINCE which has a derbi jp1 that has a evo thats out their in hawaii and his bike i heard is not even fast. i mean ur right evo kits are very good but can get beat...ive heard you like evo kits alot down their and you get your parts from goerge which is the only one out their that deals with polini...... :cool:


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[rydah]

Its 12hp on a MINARELLI....on mine it should be more because check this out...almost everyone in HAWAII that has hondas ive heard have the 72CC THAT I HAVE they say that it is one of the BEST setups for my BIKE...so if 72cc in hawaii is vrsing other minerallis with my kit..i should be good...if he does beat me ive been told from people in hawaii that i wont get beat that BAD....what do you think RYDAH
Wide hondas make less h.p. then yamahas cc's for cc's. when i have my jog with a corsa set up, i used to smoke them honda 72's. the reason the hondas have to get stroked is just to beat a yamaha 70cc evo or someother race cylinder. the yamaha corsa is only 68cc and the honda is 72cc and the honda still gets beat. why do you think they dont use those motors in europe when it comes to racing and why do you think no one makes real racing 70cc cylinders for the honda, its because the yamaha and piaggio motors smoke them.
i seen johns bike run, and its fast. a metrakit sp cylinder is like a corsa so you can think whatever you want. until you come out here you are only hearing things and not seeing them for yourself.
a honda 125cc stroker will kill a polini evo, matrakit pro series 2, malossi team, or even a hebo manston 2. you have to remember theres almost 40cc's more on that honda then a yamaha. i get my parts from george, and v.t. cycles and extreme. all of the shops are good in my opinion. oh yeah that polini 72cc corsa for a honda dont even come close to the honda strokers. its a good kit but it cannot match the speed of a stroker or jog corsa or evo.

[wideopen01]

Wide hondas make less h.p. then yamahas cc's for cc's. when i have my jog with a corsa set up, i used to smoke them honda 72's. the reason the hondas have to get stroked is just to beat a yamaha 70cc evo or someother race cylinder. the yamaha corsa is only 68cc and the honda is 72cc and the honda still gets beat. why do you think they dont use those motors in europe when it comes to racing and why do you think no one makes real racing 70cc cylinders for the honda, its because the yamaha and piaggio motors smoke them.

ok thats right...because the 72 makes about 14-15 and the evo makes 20watercooled so of corse the evo is going to winn....tell me this rydha why did john with his FULL BLOWN EVO get SMOKED by MAKA WITH HIS DERBI...metrakit sp....tell me that

[smokin]

aight so if the evos are so fast that the hondas have to get stroked just to beat them then what happens when you stroke a yamaha???and also rydah what is the fastest bike in hawaii and whos owns it i here alot about (david toba)with his honda how fast does he go aswell????

[rydah]

the fastest bikes out here are goin to be hondas because of the bigger kits around here. and yes they are from taiwan, but if you want to make a 70cc fast you have to use the italian parts.

[rydah]

ok thats right...because the 72 makes about 14-15 and the evo makes 20watercooled so of corse the evo is going to winn....tell me this rydha why did john with his FULL BLOWN EVO get SMOKED by MAKA WITH HIS DERBI...metrakit sp....tell me that
you can think what you want, i cannot change your make or make up your mind.

[rydah]

aight so if the evos are so fast that the hondas have to get stroked just to beat them then what happens when you stroke a yamaha???and also rydah what is the fastest bike in hawaii and whos owns it i here alot about (david toba)with his honda how fast does he go aswell????
toba know his stuff, he can build some really fast bikes. i have video with his nos power'd drag scooter. i not into those track only bikes. i ride my stuff on the cruzz around the island. thats where guys show and prove. like i told you before, no one can say whos the fastest. there are about 3 or 4 bikes out there that battle every cruzz.

[wideopen01]

you can think what you want, i cannot change your make or make up your mind.

so your saying john didnt get smoked.... :smokin:you were telling me about cycle imports...the fastest BIKE that came out of their came out with ALL THE WAY TYWAN PARTS...and happys parts is all the way tywan also...and plus happys shop is not in buisness right no anyways.

[smokin]

I have a question for you rydah a corsa vs an evo corsa on a honda and evo on a minarelli motor what do you think will win?O ya rydah you said you know where to get gears for me can you PM me the place that you know where to get them from???

[Lennox]

New thread about Scooter shops in Hawaii (http://www.provoscooter.com/vbull/showthread.php?t=1651)

[King Vino]

Thread renamed and moved since it has become a pi**ing contest and has absolutely nothing to do with the Zuma any more, and closed.